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04-11-2009, 08:06 AM #1
You can hot pin test it too. Get a pin red hot & touch it to an inconspicuous area (inside the scales). If it melts, it's synthetic. If not, it's either bone or ivory. Then you need to look at the structure to tell these two apart. As mentioned, bone will have pores. If you've got a loupe or something that will make them easier to see.
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04-11-2009, 11:04 AM #2
Give it a light sand. Won't tell you if its bone or ivory but the celluloid smell of camphor can be eliminated.
Bone will likely look more porous than ivory under magnification also.“The white gleam of swords, not the black ink of books, clears doubts and uncertainties and bleak outlooks.”
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04-11-2009, 11:24 AM #3
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Thanked: 3164The pores in bone scales are usually most evident at the top and bottom ends - in old handles the pores get filled with dirt, and because they were once the site of blood vessels they penetrate the bone and anything but the most superficial soiling is nigh impossible to clean or sand away. Bone also often has blotchy discolourations.
If the scales don't fail the pin test, they could be ivory or bone. Ivory has a grain pattern running along it, and another (often very hard to see) pattern running at right angles. Ivory is usually a more regular colour than bone, and it doesn't have the grime-filled pores in it like bone.
So, if its old, a bit soiled and has little dark dots near the pivot and wedge end it is probably bone. It's usually quite thin too, and most I have seen have thin metal (lead? pewter?) wedges. Same goes for ivory, however.
Other than that, what Ben said.
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Neil
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04-11-2009, 02:51 PM #4
Are there no awesome tricks for cleaning discoloration from bone scales?
Also, once you have bone cleaned (as much as you can) and sanded smooth, should one finish it with some sort of sealant or leave it natural? Seems like finishing would prevent further soiling, but would take away from the feel bone has...
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04-11-2009, 03:35 PM #5
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Thanked: 3164When it was originally prepared, the bone was de-greased. If the degreasing wasn't deep enough the fat remaining in the bone migrates to the surface over time and makes it go yellow and discoloured. People usually think of bleach first, but this is destructive and make the bone go powdery and friable - talking about chlorine-based bleaches here.
Something gentler is hydrogen peroxide - you could give that a try. Swab it on and work it in with cotton balls, dont soak the piece in it. Abnother possibility is lemon juice and salt. I used both, but with very limited success.
The main trouble I found was the pores - after cleaning, if you buff them with anything that darkens in colour, they will go dark again - presuming you can get them clean in the first paste. I used toothpaste - it's lightly abrasive and restores a bit of shine, and its white. but it will go into the pores and eventually oxidise and discolour. Maybe some sort of waxing afterwards would help, but I don't really know.
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Neil
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04-11-2009, 07:08 PM #6
Thanks for the replies everyone. As soon as I find a pin, I'll be trying out the hot pin test. I'm really starting to think it might be bone or ivory, but I want to make sure. I'd hate to sell this at celluloid prices if it's worth more!
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04-11-2009, 10:09 PM #7
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Thanked: 3164Anything thin will do - even a paperclip opened out - just heat the end of it to red and touch somewhere inconspicuous - maybe between the scales on the inside. If it doesn't melt it may be bone or ivory, if it smells a bit like when the dentist drills teeth its ivory.
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Neil
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04-11-2009, 10:46 PM #8
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Thanked: 416lets see a pic!
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