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I understand that the Rolling X is for a Smile that is that the toe and the heel are shorter than the middle of the blade.
If you have an Elvis at the toe can you do a partial Rolling X or a Wobbly X to where 90% of the blade sits on the stone and then move to toe? Or would one still want the stick with the Rolling stroke?
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Originally Posted by singlewedge
HUH??????????? WTF is an Elvis :D
PICS?????
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/m...tr/ttiwwop.gif
elvis huh?
maybe a Spanish point? :confused:
Don't mess with the King!
I suspect that what he is describing is that his blade only has half a smile. That is, the heel is straight but the toe is worn away more so that the toe end looks like a smiling blade. I got that from his honing question. I have no idea what Elvis has to do with it.
Maybe this should be moved to the honing section?
Lets leave it here in case we are talking a breadknife situation, which we all keep saying is restoration :rofl2::rofl2:
I'll move it if warranted after more description /pics
Possibly he is refering to Elvis, because Elvis always had a partial or sideways smile?
Mac
subscribed. I am interested in an elvis curve.
Agreed. It seems that mentions of bread-knifing should be kept to a minimum!Quote:
Originally Posted by gssixgun
You know an Elvis...
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:...%2520Snarl.jpg
Notice how the top of the lip dives down. Understand?
I'll post a pic tonight when I get batteries for the camera.
That is a good approximation yes.
Probably something like dis...Quote:
Originally Posted by Leighton
Picture so...small!Quote:
Originally Posted by McWolf1969
Kind of looks like a regular smile to me though.
Ha! I get it now. I know exactly what your talking about. Coined a new term.Quote:
Originally Posted by singlewedge
Yeah...I I grind that away. Thats a frown. Small mini frown, but a frown nonetheless. I always grind out frowns.
Leighton's ebay example, in my opinion is not a frown, but a smiling toe. I would not grind that away. Barbers used to do that deliberately because it made the razors shave better by providing a scything approach.
Do you know if the smiles, normal or 'Elvis,' affect collectibility or value? Personally, i like the looks of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Utopian
Mac
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Originally Posted by Leighton
Thanks. Don't know what else to call it. Its not a smile:) and its not a frown:mad: its an Elvis or a half smile. But as we are typing Elvis is one word and half smile is two words. So one word is faster.:D
Now that we have some understanding. Can I hone this regular or roll it or what?:shrug:
I call this sort of curve a smirk
http://www.funnytheworld.com/2007/Nov/smirk.jpg
I will refrain from any political comments about that smile. Of course if it was Clinton I'd say something like..
"Yeah, to bad I can't show you whats below the frame"
or something like that.
BTW I like smirk, but Elvis just has more style. IMHO.
As far as your honing question goes, I'd say yes, do most of the stroke with even pressure and then do a bit of a roll near the end. This would be exactly the same as the final part of a rolling X.
Plus one at Utopian on both accounts.
A frown implies that the distance between the spine and the toe and/or heel is greater than it is in the middle. The ebay example is a half smile if anything.
I have a blade that while not smiling, doesn't make contact at the toe, I use a half rolling stroke. Normal stroke most of the way, then gradually lift the heel to make the contact at the toe.
Try a 45* X stroke. Btw, post pictures when you get home so everyone will get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by singlewedge
You can always just do the marker test to see which stroke contacts the edge.
I sharpened this one by doing pretty much what has been suggested, normal stroke for most of the blade, then rolled for the toe.
http://straightrazorpalace.com/membe...4-img-0231.jpg
My thought was that when you see such, done on purpose- not an abbrv. chip repair, or just a heavy toe hand, etc; it's not for scything but takes the point off line so giving one a larger margin for error(less nick_y) but it's sharp if you need it for detail work:shrug:
Here is the Elvis I am referring to. I am pretty sure that I already have my answer as to how to hone it. UHH, Thank you very much!!
http://i490.photobucket.com/albums/r.../pics001-1.jpg
There are two ways to hone that one,,,
Use a nice light X pattern and continue to follow the bevel that has been established through years of lifting and twisting off the hone....
Or straighten the bevel and start again....
You might not have enough steel to do the second, I can't really tell from the pic...