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...but i didn't have the patience to go through all of the old restoration threads.
here's my question (sorry in advance if it's been asked and answered already): How do you remove pins without a drill press and just some basic tools? is it even possible?
It is possible, this was addressed in a previous thread, but I honestly dont remember what the tools required were. I cant remember who wrote the post...vlad maybe?
I've heard mention of one end of the pin being filed off, but haven't tried it myself.
Use a file to remove the top of the pin. It has been mushroomed out. Then take a punch and drive it thru.
you'll probably take away my home depot discount card for this but, what type of file (please be really specific) should i use? in fact, any more detail about the process would be great. otherwise, i think i can figure it out from there. thanks for all the help! seriously, you guys are awesome.
Dude! You're like, a genius with finding those threads. Thanks for making life so easy, ToxIk.
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Well... I am awesome :D:DQuote:
Originally Posted by xman
I'm thinkin' that if you don't have the patience for that, you may want to forego any real restoration efforts as well because the actual work requires more patience than reading. ;)Quote:
...but i didn't have the patience to go through all of the old restoration threads.
i'm not restoring anything; i just want to clean the rust out of my razor. cute answer, though.
Bill, you should have said he needs a high energy laser with 1/16" focal point attachment :D
cyrano138 once you've de-pinned to clean you will have to re-pin it, do you know how to do this ?.
Gary
what a coincidence! that was my next question. also, after filing the old pins, what should i use to push them through?
Something that's 1/16" diameter. Very gently..tap...tap...Make sure though you've got rid of the peened over end otherwise it will be a poofteenth too big which is large enough to cause damage. Protect the opposite side as well from getting scratched etc..
Gary
i think i can handle that so far...
what about re-pinning? what tools do i need and how is it done?
Holy Crap, Batman, you are lazy. Need someone to drop by to do the work for you? :)Quote:
what a coincidence! that was my next question. also, after filing the old pins, what should i use to push them through?
If you come up with a question that has not already been answered on these forums, I'd be happy to answer it for you.
i'm sure someone out there won't typing a few lines to save me the trouble of poring over thirty or forty pages of threads by people asking how to make scales out of old fishing lures. i read the whole godamn archives section and couldn't find a single detail about removing and re-pinning without a drill press.
seems to me it would've taken just as much time for you to post something constructive (like an answer) as it did to tell me you weren't going to answer any unoriginal questions.
if you don't want to help me, that's your prerogative, but why go through the trouble to post just to provoke me? what the hell?
by the way, thanks to all the folks who've been helping so far.
I don't like your tone :rant: You are being discourteous to a good friend of mine, I've found everything I need on SRP by looking.
I'm outa here, good luck.
Gary
138, your thread title has nothing to do with your desire to know about repining a razor. That's not a good idea. I'm sure you thought it is provocative enough to make people look, but that's not enough. If you want to ask something, you might want to put adequate title first.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyrano138
This forum has Search function, and appropriate button for that, right there, up, below the title. Bill was just encouraging you to do that. Just hit "repining" or something more creative, and you will quickly find what you are looking.
It is not that people mind typing a few sentences of an answer to a very simple question, but it's not pleasant doing that over and over again.
You have already spend more time asking consecutive questions in this thread, than what you would spend searching and reading numerous (very good) threads about repining.
I may suggest to all newbies to first use the search function of this forum, before asking similar questions like this one, because if someone was in the mood of giving elaborate answer couple of months before, might throw a just few words next time... That will benefit your knowledge, as well as diminish cluttering the forums with similar threads.
Nenad
btw, here in my question about the same thing, asked a year ago. There were no posts to search from then. Thanx to Bill and Randy helping me with that one...
http://straightrazorpalace.com/showthread.php?t=3691
Cyrano, now you know there's a search function on here. I had the same problem when I first started...not knowing how to search, because I wasn't sure what I was supposed to be looking for. Now, I know just enough to know I know nothing. lol I hate when threads turn nasty like this. Your response, while perhaps justified to you, pretty much guarantees nobody's gonna go out of their way to help you for awhile, and that's regrettable, because there's a good group of people here with a lot to offer. Responses like yours are better served with a PM, rather than open argument on a public forum.
Just my $.02
Take care,
Joe
It's all attitude, sport. I'm not trying to provoke you. Only trying to point out that some of us appreciate seeing a little effort on the questioner's part. You don't seem to be "asking" for help, you are "expecting" it without having to even let your fingers do a little bit of the walking.Quote:
if you don't want to help me, that's your prerogative, but why go through the trouble to post just to provoke me? what the hell?
You show up and admittedly say you are too lazy to look for your own answers. What? Your time is more valuable than everyone else's? You can't be bothered by menial tasks? But you expect us to search it out for you or author an hour's response because you don't feel like looking for the answer yourself? Where is the respect for everyone here in that?
If you had said you were having a tough time navigating the site, or spent an hour searching and couldn't find your answers, you'd get more answers than you would ever need from everyone. You didn't even ask to be directed to the answer or how to find it. Seems to me that you wanted it personalized with a bow on it.
Sorry if I don't like the attitude... I'll try to be more understanding in the future.
Cyrano,
It's not that your question is stupid; many of us have asked the same one. It's that straight razor use and restoration carries with it a certain sense of self-reliance and sufficiency that is ill-served by laziness and entitlement.
There is a tool you'll need for your restoration, given what you've said so far: a 16" steel turf gouger.
Continued replies in the same vein aren't going to help your case. However wrongly you feel Bill has treated you, you won't find many people who agree. You'll also find, if you pause to remember all that reading you did, that he's written an awful lot to help out the rest of us. Perhaps a modicum of respect would get you a better result.
While this is not a forum about computers, you might find the advice in this document helpful. Generally, people like to see that you've made some reasonable effort to help yourself before they're willing to assist.
Good luck with it.
bunny time yet?
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Skunx! You thief!!
It's pretty easy to tee off and blast the new guy, and as the new guy it's pretty easy to get upset because you don't know why you got blasted.
Here's a quick flash movie that introduces some common forum etiquette: (strictly for laughs)
http://gprime.net/flash.php/postingandyou
lol, well, it was funny.....
-micah
i asked a question i could not answer after a half-hour of searching.
piper, you have no right to accuse me of laziness and entitlement, and i don't get your joke about the shovel.
when my initial question was answered in one line, gary asked me if i knew how to re-pin. i thought he was offering to help, so i continued to ask questions.
i'm more than a little surprised that no one found ulreebird's sarcasm and jibes out of line, but, if that's the way it is, so be it; i've paid my dues before. i spent ten years fighting for a position in the first peak at my home break, and many of the guys out there deserved every bit of respect they demanded. but even so, i've made waves (no pun intended) and enemies on several occasions by standing up for a new arrival if they were being treated unfairly. i realize that older, more established members of the board deserve more deference because they know more about the subject and have contributed more, but that doesn't give anyone the right to be discourteous, and i felt some of the posts on this thread were made specifically to provoke. it's been my experience that the people who deserve most respect are the least likely to be malicious, and so i'm glad to find that i was wrong, otherwise i would have been disillusioned about the great group of people here.
i could've handled the situation better, or taken my own advice to urleebird and just let it be if i didn't like it. my response was brash and unpleasant, and i posted it without giving myself time to cool down.
i would like to repeart that i did spend time searching and trying to answer the question myself, but i should have said so instead of making a joke that left too much room for misinterpretation.
i hope everyone involved will please accept my apology.
My apologies for being a smart ass. Don't believe I ever told you I wanted you to take a hike, though. Just wanted you to do a little of the work yourself.
Randy's answer is the short version and it's correct. If that's all you need, then ok. There's more to it. You have to be careful. If you do not have the entire mushroom removed from the end of the pin when you try to tap it out, the scales will splinter and may leave a crack at the pivot. No drill press?
Your questions are simple... but it doesn't mean the answers are as this is only the tip of the iceburg.
- There are rotary tools... use a round 3/32 ball bit to remove the end of the pin.
- Flush cutters from a hobby store... they are used to cut parts of of the trees. They can scar the scales a bit, but can be sanded out.
- You can use a drift punch to lightly tap the pin part of the way through then twist and pull with pliars from the other side
Apology accepted.
Re-pinning. You will need 1/16" brass rod and #0 brass washers. www.microfasteners.com for the washers.
I would suggest trying out on a thin piece of wood or something first.
Drill 1/16" hole. insert rod and cut to length leaving approx 0.5mm each side. Fit washers and then making sure the underside one doesn't fall off gently peen with a small ball-peen hammer. If you don't know what one of these are it has a small rounded ball shaped head on one side.
Tap gently, turn over, tap gently. This will eventually make a rivet. When I say tap gently, if you hgit yoiur thumb and it hurts, it's too hard.
When you are confident try it on your razor.
I hope this helps.
Gary
also wanted to apologize for editing the messages so many times. i'll leave it the way it is. for those of you who read the earlier posts i made this evening that were a bit more inflammatory, please disregard them. i have to learn to think a little before i go throwing responses up. thanks again to everyone in this thread, and i mean everyone, for ALL posts. i can't underestimate the amount of help i've gotten here.
Type of file...I really don't know the technical description but as a comparison you could glue some 150-220 grit sandpaper to a stick and use that as a file. As has been pointed out the real problem is the mushroom and if your using a rotary tool or drill press than heat is also the enemy because it will melt and enlarge the hole in the scale unless your careful. Usually I only remove the pins if I do not care about the scales. If I want to preserve the scales then I just clean them in place. Otherwise its just a lot of work to remove the scales without damaging them.
Hope this helps,
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Originally Posted by cyrano138
i guess i can always get some new scales if i screw it up.
Did everyone make up and shake hands yet? I know things got ugly when the bunny pic came out. Make razors, not war...yadda yadda.
this may actually be a dumb question, but why wouldn't it be easier to use bolts or screws instead of pins? is it that old razors really weren't meant to be taken apart?
I actually make a razor with changeable scales or blades using the button screws you refer to.
They are normally not used because one of the screws likes to tighten by itself and the other likes to loosen by itself. The spacing washer behind the pivot pin has to be functioning properly to work.
It's easier to pin a razor. Screws require a threaded bushing that rotates smoothly within the tang of the razor. Screws work best if they actually contact each other in the center of the bushing while keeping the tension just right on the blade. + or - .001 or .002 to keep things right.
Screws directly into a threaded tang don't work very good either. Rotation binds up.
i'm not surprised it's easier to pin a razor, but i got a little nervous when someone said he didn't remove pins unless he wouldn't mind losing the scales. i'm only removing them to fix up a bit of rust, and i'd hate to have to replace the scales every time i needed to clean them.