Otto Deutsch Hans

I just scored an Otto Deutsch on ebay for $29. I'm not sure if this was a good deal or not... this is the first straight I've ever owned, but after reading several posts on here, I decided to buy an older razor and fix it up instead of buying a newer cheaper quality one. It looks to me like I should be able to restore it, but I'd like some input if ya can. Is it salvageable, or did I just buy a nice paperweight? haha

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Good luck with that blade. I have one just like that and I sanded right through the scales. They seem to fall apart easily. But lemonade from lemons, i picked up a decent Otto blade on the cheap and will switch the scales to make a nice one. Hopefully your's is not as bad as mine was..Good luck!

Thats a full hollow blade so be careful you don't sand it through. I think that blade is restore-able. You are going to love those scales once you clean them up too!

That is a great deal you got.

I'd clean up the blade with Maas or Mothers to get a better picture of what the pitting is like. I don't think you should even try to get rid of it all. You'll likely destroy the blade if you do. Start sanding with 220 grit wet/dry and work up to 1000 grit. Clean it with Maas every now and then to check your progress. Maas or Mothers will work wonders on the inlays as well. Take your time and go slow. I'd definitely sand that blade by hand though.

I love my "hans" ! if you can get her shave ready you will have a razor that you'll never want to get rid of!!
http://antiquemilitaryshooter.com/forums/hans2.jpg

The trouble with any restoration is when the pitting has eaten deeply enough in to what will become your new edge.. Yes you can hone it but it will chip wherever there is a pit. Always establish a bevel first & check with magnification to see what you're dealing with, then proceed with cosmetic restoration. If the edge forms smoothly at 1 k you're usually good to go.

Here are some things I have learned over the years, I cannot say whether this applies to your Hans for sure or not by way of a pic...

Fantastic shavers
Very very fragile scales
Scales very susceptible to celluloid rot
Scales very susceptible to warpage
Cell rot will normally show first as a mottled pattern black rust on the steel

Whether this is what I am seeing on your razor I cannot tell from just a pic but that is what I suspect

I can't remember the circumstances of how the point broke but I cut the blade off at 2 inches and shortened the scales. Must be great steel -Attachment 76930 takes a fine edge. Wish I had one fully intact.

Good luck restoring your HANS......

JERRY
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Welcome to SRP. I think Glen (gssixgun) is right on this one. My guess it that your razor is suffering from cell rot. Celluloid that is decomposing gives off gases that corrode metal. Not all celluloid suffers from this but once it starts it will never stop. The blade is probably too far gone to restore and if you put a shiny new blade in those scales , no matter how much you clean them up, it will also end up rusting. Those pretty green Otto Deutsch scales are frequently victims of the decomposing phenomenon IME. OTOH, I could be wrong, I was wrong once before.

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Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

Welcome to SRP. I think Glen (gssixgun) is right on this one. My guess it that your razor is suffering from cell rot. Celluloid that is decomposing gives off gases that corrode metal. Not all celluloid suffers from this but once it starts it will never stop. The blade is probably too far gone to restore and if you put a shiny new blade in those scales , no matter how much you clean them up, it will also end up rusting. Those pretty green Otto Deutsch scales are frequently victims of the decomposing phenomenon IME. OTOH, I could be wrong, I was wrong once before.

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Good to note.. Maybe, better just pull thehardawre and pit it on diferent scales to get rid of the sell rot...

Ok, here's the lowdown... so far as I can tell. I got the blade and did about a half hour's worth of cleaning to the blade to see what I was dealing with. I'll post some pictures when I get home from work, but I think the blade is salvageable. There's some pitting down near the heel, but it doesn't really look too bad. I don't know if I could get it all the way out without forfeiting the integrity of the steel, so it might be a case of "get it as good as ya can and let it be."

Now... the scales...
I've been doing some reading about cell rot and most people agree that, normally, the tell tale sign is that the corrosion starts where the blade is in the scales and not on the spine, etc. where it touches the air, which is where normal rust would start. It's hard to tell from the pictures, but one side of the blade has almost all the corrosion within the scale area while the other looks like it started on the spine. So just out of curiosity, I turned the scales toward the light and looked between them. Sure enough, scales covering the blade on the side with the most damage within the scales is starting to deform, noticeably. So here's the deal... I figure I can either try to save the blade and send the scales off in hopes I can get the inlays transferred over to an acrylic in the same color maybe... or, since the guy I got it from on ebay described the scales as "excellent condition," I could send the thing back and get my money back and put it towards something else. Ideas?

You've already worked on the razor, so you can't really send it back, as it's not what you received anymore.
I'd throw the scales away - too suspicious. You can get the inlays off the scales yourself - acetone should do it.

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You've already worked on the razor, so you can't really send it back, as it's not what you received anymore.
I'd throw the scales away - too suspicious. You can get the inlays off the scales yourself - acetone should do it.

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I didn't even think of that... oh well, not too big of a deal I suppose. So acetone, huh? Right on. I guess I'll start tearing it down. Are those inlays just glued on? Any ideas how I can get them put back on flush with the surface of some new scales? That's the only part of the whole thing that I can't really figure out.

Have to agree with Gugi. The seller probably isnt an expert on razors or plastics and to the everage Joe ebay seller they do appear to be in excellent condition for a used vintage razor.
Grant

Here's a good thread

http://straightrazorpalace.com/works...-gssixgun.html
http://straightrazorpalace.com/works...-transfer.html

Here is another helpful link about using Acetone to glue and un-glue the inlays:
http://straightrazorpalace.com/works...s-acetone.html

Good things, guys... thanks. I figure acetone should work with acrylic or most other plastics just about the same way. Anyone know of any type of material to use for the scales that may look roughly the same as celluloid?

I'd say that you should try to find a translucent dark green acrylic

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I'd say that you should try to find a translucent dark green acrylic

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I think black G10 or go opposite and go ghost G10 for contrast.

I got an Otto V Deustch this week in slightly better condition than yours.

Dark green acrylic scales is the way to go. The original translucent dark green scales is simply an awesome look, and IMO if you can replicate the original then you should. The photos don't do justice to how pretty the razor is.

Man did you see that Ottolast night on sleazbay? 330.00 dollars... Take your time rstoring this one apparently it's an investment!

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Man did you see that Ottolast night on sleazbay? 330.00 dollars... Take your time rstoring this one apparently it's an investment!

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There was a very nicely restored one that went for about half that two weeks ago. It got up to $100 and then there was a bidding war between two people and I thought it was just two people getting silly. Maybe not.

Me I'm happy that I paid about what the OP paid for his. No intentions of a re-sale. I just think that it is a very pretty razor and I got a bad case of the "me wants".

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Originally Posted by Wintchase

Man did you see that Ottolast night on sleazbay? 330.00 dollars... Take your time rstoring this one apparently it's an investment!

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IMHO restored razor is never going to be as valuable as an original. I just looked at the bay and it seems to me that the one that was sold was already polished. I have one that may be approaching 'mint' status and the factory finish isn't what I see on those pictures. I think I saw a couple of pits too.