Thread: Double bevel??

I just started my honing Journey about a month ago and I LOVE it!! I sit down and everything else in the world just sort of fades and the only things left are the Steel and the Stone, its almost as Zen as my Shaving time!!
I had a touch of RAD for a while and at one point bought a lot of Larger French Blades all with heavier grinds. So Last Night I sat down and pulled out one of these "Project" Razors, To start to hone it. I started with one piece of tape (normally I don't like using tape) because I didn't want the super heavy Hone wear that comes with sharpening a Near Wedge like this one. Well it had a couple of pretty small nicks in the Edge that I had to work out first, Then onto my Norton 1k, I honed using standard X-Strokes for about 30 mins and had what appeared to be a nicely set bevel even under 30x mag. Then tested on my arm... Well... that didn't work. It wouldn't cut hair if I attached a LASER to IT!!! So 30 mins more and test again... Still NOTHING!!! wouldn't even cut my SKIN!!! So I did the only thing I could think of to attempt to get a sharper bevel... I added another piece of tape. This of course created a second bevel at a sharper angle closer to the edge. well this worked!! It only took about 10 mins working this second bevel to have it set and ready to move onto my 4k...
My question to you all now is... Is this a good idea or a bad Idea? I realize if I had started with the two pieces of tape to start I wouldn't have the double and would have achieved the same effect. Is this going to effect the Durability of the edge? or is it all the same as long as I use 2 pieces of tape to touch up in the future? Thanks for the input!

(I posted this in Advanced honing as I'm not really sure if its a beginner's mistake or a Honer's Skill... Mods Feel Free to move it if desired...)

Thanks again all!!

Dave

Nope exactly in the right spot

From reading your post,, I think that the first bevel was actually not quite set, when you went to the 2nd bevel you concentrated the honing to the bevel much like putting torque the edge would have done, and you pulled the bevel into line...

Shave it, enjoy the success...

Personally I would go with 2 layers next time to start with on this razor but that is JMHO

Thanks Glen I appreciate the confirmation! I was worried that I may have problems with it in the future, but I think if I stick with 2 layers I'll be ok. So on My other wedgie Razors like this should I start with 2 layers or Start with one and move up if needed like I did with this one?

Murmie,

It really depends a lot on the amount of spine wear, which dictates how much metal you're having to remove. The wider the bevel, the more time on the hone to get the bevel.

I have a couple that have significant spine wear to the point of being near wedges. On those I've used up to 4 layers of tape, usually one layer too much, but that's what it took to basically recreate a spine to correct the geometry and give a narrower bevel.

Depending on your razors wear, you could start with two, or none and just see what it's giving you and adjust the tape accordingly. If you don't go overboard with the test edge, it doesn't take much to hone it out.



Howard

I look at the wear

0-1mm 1 layer

1-2mm 2 layers

>2mm I start at 3 layers

I really don't like using more than 3 as it gets a bit squishy and honestly you might want to think re-grind at that point in time


You can also simply grind that crap out the spine and edge too, so that it is all evened up, I don't but many others do it that way..

If you are going to Buff and Polish the blade I would suggest getting it even, then polishing out the spine wear and the huge bevel, once that is done then you can add back in the tape and have a nice tiny even bevel..

All these are options that are available to each person, everybody has an opinion on which way to go...

Not trying to get this off topic, but Glen referencing regrinding reminded me of this video by Undream, Brad Maggard. It's a W&B wedge. Pretty interesting, I think.

YouTube

The two razors I referenced are heirloom razors, so I won't get a regrind, but it is worth thinking about if you don't have a sentimental attachment to a razor.

Also, this post is the razor in the video, I'm pretty sure. http://straightrazorpalace.com/custo...er-g-10-a.html

What you did is perfectly fine as each and every razor has it's own personality. What you did isn't really a "double bevel", it's just honing a wedge. I agree with Glen (surprise here huh?) on three layers being max. I've been known to utilize a coarser stone for edge corrections like you wrote about, which is why I have my shapton's down to 220 grit. I have found that I don't use it hardly at all simply because the DMT works wonders with correcting a bevel. You tried one way & it didn't work, so you tried another...good to you sir!