Thread: Get in line!

I have a honing question that I hope y'all will be able to answer for me.

Background: I got in my new SG 20 K, and was really excited to bring it home to try it out. I thought that since it's the weekend I'm out also take this time to learn a little bit about my hones under the microscope. So I grab my laboratory microscope from work brought it home and set it up and started honing.

The magnification is at 100x. I done my normal routine using my Chosera 1k, Shapton 4K, 8K, 16K. Before moving to my SG 20 K, I tried to get the most out of my 16 K. I done about 15 strokes on the 16 K, and was afraid that I may have done too many strokes. I thought this because the edge it looked jagged. I went ahead and went to the 20 K and done 10 strokes just for learning sake. Then I looked under the microscope and examined the edge, And then done 10 more strokes. At this point I noticed something unusual. My Edgeline started tightening up. I done 10 more strokes, and looked under the microscope and noticed that my Edgeline was tightening up even more without any chipping. I've done five more strokes and noticed the same thing and called it done, And stropped the edge and test shaved. And the test shave seemed to have done very well.

However my question is not about anything to do with the test shave but rather has anyone ever noticed this tightening of the edge on this finishing stone using so many strokes and not seen edge failure. I would have thought I would have seen chipping but haven't yet. I will see over the course of a few shaves whether the edge is going to hold or not but do you think that I wasn't doing possibly enough work on previous grits?

Feel free to ask questions, because I feel as if I had I hard time getting my thoughts across well.

Any picks ??

Yeah. They are just not as clear as if they were in person.

1k


4k


8k


16k


20k-10 strokes


20k - 20 strokes


20k - 35 strokes


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I'm no pro, but that looks like some pretty deeps scratch marks after using your finisher.... I see a much smoother surface, almost mirror like, from my 8/12k... they look as deep as the grind marks

Originally Posted by ecormier

I'm no pro, but that looks like some pretty deeps scratch marks after using your finisher.... I see a much smoother surface, almost mirror like, from my 8/12k... they look as deep as the grind marks

All the more to learn from. Like I said, I'm afraid I'm not doing enough lower grit work.

too many random scratches on that bevel IMHO. In your pics I can see a large scratch all the way from 1k to 20k, that should at least become a lot shallower over the progression.
I am not sure what tightening of the edge means, but 30-35 strokes on the hone does it for me. Some people have stated that the edge starts to over hone ~50 strokes, never tested it my self.

Originally Posted by Substance

Any picks ??

And yes- Kentucky over Duke by 12.

Originally Posted by Andy77

And yes- Kentucky over Duke by 12.

Hahaha. Now that's how you hijack a thread. I'm for duke even though I don't get into Basketball. Lol. But back to point thanks yall for pointing out a problem that for some strange reason was not clicking in my mind. I guess so focused on one thing that I wasn't seeing the obvious right in front of my eyes.

You can see in the lower area of the pics that the bevel is not set.

The chippiness may also be due to the steel.. You don't say what make the razor is.

Yes, the bevel is not set, completely.

You can see in the 1K photos, that you are not reaching the edge.

There is also a “Rail Road Track” stria to the left (on the first Photo) and below a deep 45 degree stria in the center of each photo.
That stria should have been removed at 4K.

With each stone you are getting more of the edge but still not completely.

Re-set the bevel with ink and 1k with a bit of pressure, then re-ink and remove all the ink with the 4K. You bevel should straighten out at about 8K and be a bit straighter with each progression. More magnification will give you a better view of the edge.

I don’t really see a lot of difference in your photos, post 1K, from 8k on the difference should be dramatic, lots more polish and finer stria.
You may want to add a bit of pressure and check the corners of your stones, bevel or round them a bit. Alternating your finishing strokes from straight to heel leading with every other stone will quickly tell you if you are removing the previous grit’s stria.

As said depending on the steel, you may need a bit more pressure and do more laps.