Thread: ONE COTICULE HONING

Originally Posted by gary haywood

My second atempt on same razor dovo tortiose. This time bart i have took my time. realy dulled on glass jar razor would not shave leg arm hair.Just glided over it. This time i did normal x pattern because its more comfortable for me i don't mind if it takes longer i used one of howards coticules it pinish shades in it and it cuts a little quiker than my other 3. I did 100 pases with pressure . tested on leg hair it was grabing but not shaving good i did another 100 tested now shaving i did another 75 and shaving leg hair realy good better than the first attempt big differance. I then refreshed slurry lighter did 40 laps light as my coti is 5x3. i then dryed razor added one layer of tape waterd slurry down more watery and did 40 light ones then 75 on clean water i did no tpt. Stroped on linen 40 and 40 litigo 40 cowhide. I took a hair of my leg very fine if my razors pass on leg hair i no there good they always pass on coarser chest.

I am not just saying this but hht on leg exallant and chest hair a dodle to pass of coticule that easy thats good only problem is i had shave this morning when i shave i will post result i can tell this razors egde will be good how good i don't no, even runing razor 2 mil above arm it poped very well never achieved that before.

If it shaves well bart how would i refresh would i just start on the slurry from beging oviously not with pressure as bevel will be good maybe just light slurry then tape again for 50 or so.

I have just had shave this morning with barts method the method i did was the same except a thew more laps and i did'nt do back and forth i did x pattern with pressure. The shave was exallant the method worked i will use it again the shave was on one day growth going round the chin was no problem for me that can be a problem if a razor is'nt quite there this ws my second atempt first one was'nt keen enough i no why ,arm hair stage could of been better this time i made sure razor shaved arm hair realy well as could be. thanks to bart it does work if i can do it any one can i did 300 laps to get bevel to shave arm hair i reckon 200 was enough the whole process from dulling to stroping took me 30 minutes thats not to bad. it can take me longer on my 1200 4k 8k bbw yellow. Time is not a problem to me as i enjoy honing.

If bart could advice me on refreshing the razors used with this method i have a rough idea but your advice would be good?
And also if i have a razor that just carn't get up to par.If the bevel has been set already on 1k throught to 4k 8k could i just add 1 layer of tape and then do 30 misty slurry then 50 plain water thanxs gary

Originally Posted by BHChieftain

Question about the coticule slurry limiting the keeness-- if it is the case that dragging the edge into the slurry has a dulling effect on the leading edge (in addition to the honing effect on the bezel), why wouldn't reverse honing (leading with the spine vs. the edge) improve keeness in the slurry?

-Chief

I've had the same thought, soon after I find out about the slurry limiting the edge. It didn't work. I guess the garnets popping up from underneath the edge, have about the same effect.
You can easily find out for yourself. Take a razor in good shaving condition and backhone it for 30 laps or so on a Coticule with slurry. Be prepared to re-complete the honing process.

Originally Posted by gary haywood

I have just had shave this morning with barts method the method i did was the same except a thew more laps and i did'nt do back and forth i did x pattern with pressure. The shave was exallant the method worked i will use it again the shave was on one day growth going round the chin was no problem for me that can be a problem if a razor is'nt quite there this ws my second atempt first one was'nt keen enough i no why ,arm hair stage could of been better this time i made sure razor shaved arm hair realy well as could be. thanks to bart it does work if i can do it any one can i did 300 laps to get bevel to shave arm hair i reckon 200 was enough the whole process from dulling to stroping took me 30 minutes thats not to bad. it can take me longer on my 1200 4k 8k bbw yellow. Time is not a problem to me as i enjoy honing.

If bart could advice me on refreshing the razors used with this method i have a rough idea but your advice would be good?
And also if i have a razor that just carn't get up to par.If the bevel has been set already on 1k throught to 4k 8k could i just add 1 layer of tape and then do 30 misty slurry then 50 plain water thanxs gary

Thanks again, for sharing Gary. "Misty slurry", I love that description.
I don't think it really matters how the initial bevel got set, the principle with the secondary bevel will work just the same.

For touching up, I'll make a separate post, 'cause there is a unique feature that we can use to our advantage.

Bart.

Because there is a narrow bevel, touching up on a Coticule with water is effective.

Over time, the seconday bevel will grow, and will become out of "refining reach" of the Coticule with water.

The great thing is that you don't have to start all over again. Because honing without tape on the Coticule with slurry, enlarges the initial bevel and diminishes the secondary bevel. It would be helpful to have magnification. I can't say much yet about how many laps would be required to dimininish the secondary bevel enough to bring it within range again. My starting point would be the typical 30. I'm talking about regular low pressured X-strokes.

Unless you would chip the edge by accident, there's no real need to ever reset the entire initial bevel. Only to reduce the width of the secondary bevel, whenever that becomes a necesity to touch up with a taped spine on a Coticule with water.

Best regards,
Bart.

Bart so basicly i could retape and perform say 30 laps on water and this would hopefully refresh the edge?For a while.
otherwise i could hone on slurry and probably use black marker and hone untill marker is removed from the very edge in the past i have foundmaker remaining at the very edge would mean i have a double bevel.Which i have. Once marker is fully removed this would mean i have one bevel. Then i could retape and do 30 misty slurry laps an then 50 water

Would you agree?

when i say shave was good i'd say it is the best edge i have had of this razor. I have tyed 1 layer of tape on my razor before but it did'nt seem to work for me maybe i needed more laps to get there . I am going to try on my 7/8 flami.

Originally Posted by gary haywood

Bart so basicly i could retape and perform say 30 laps on water and this would hopefully refresh the edge?For a while.

Yes, that should be effective for a number of touch-ups.

Originally Posted by gary haywood

otherwise i could hone on slurry and probably use black marker and hone untill marker is removed from the very edge in the past i have foundmaker remaining at the very edge would mean i have a double bevel.Which i have. Once marker is fully removed this would mean i have one bevel. Then i could retape and do 30 misty slurry laps an then 50 water

That's not what I meant with my previous post. If you needed to rehone the razor, you could do the entire procedure over again. No marker needed. Just stay on slurry without tape till you can shave arm hair again. (after the downstroke on glass).
But this is only needed when the edge has really deteriorated, with microchips and such. If the edge is still fine, only a bit dull and the secondary bevel has grown overly large from previous touch-ups, all you need to do is reduce its width. As I explained in my previous post, this can be done by honing on slurry without tape. This enlarges the first bevel, and by consequence, reduces the second bevel, without actually touching the very tip of the edge. You don't need to work till the secondary bevel is completely honed out. What would be the purpose of that, if we're going to just recreate it? That would only be a waist of steel. As soon as the secondary bevel has shrunk enough, you can attach the layer of tape and perform the touch-up on the Coticule with water. This time, it will be effective, because it's small enough again.

That's the theory. I haven't had need for a touch-up on one of the razors I honed with this new method. But I believe that it would work that way.

Best regards,
Bart.

Originally Posted by gary haywood

when i say shave was good i'd say it is the best edge i have had of this razor.

For me, this method delivers among the best edges I ever had on the razors I tried it on.

Good luck with the 7/8, and thanks again for sharing your results, Gary.

Bart.

Originally Posted by Bart

Yes, that should be effective for a number of touch-ups.

That's not what I meant with my previous post. If you needed to rehone the razor, you could do the entire procedure over again. No marker needed. Just stay on slurry without tape till you can shave arm hair again. (after the downstroke on glass).
But this is only needed when the edge has really deteriorated, with microchips and such. If the edge is still fine, only a bit dull and the secondary bevel has grown overly large from previous touch-ups, all you need to do is reduce its width. As I explained in my previous post, this can be done by honing on slurry without tape. This enlarges the first bevel, and by consequence, reduces the second bevel, without actually touching the very tip of the edge. You don't need to work till the secondary bevel is completely honed out. What would be the purpose of that, if we're going to just recreate it? That would only be a waist of steel. As soon as the secondary bevel has shrunk enough, you can attach the layer of tape and perform the touch-up on the Coticule with water. This time, it will be effective, because it's small enough again.

That's the theory. I haven't had need for a touch-up on one of the razors I honed with this new method. But I believe that it would work that way.

Best regards,
Bart.


For me, this method delivers among the best edges I ever had on the razors I tried it on.

Good luck with the 7/8, and thanks again for sharing your results, Gary.

Bart.

Right i get you now, when second bevel becomes larger just hone with out tape on light slurry to shorten the secondery bevel then yellow with water plus add tape then just keep refreshing on water coticule with one piece of tape. does this apply to any razor with secondary bevel.

Originally Posted by gary haywood

Right i get you now, when second bevel becomes larger just hone with out tape on light slurry to shorten the secondery bevel then yellow with water plus add tape then just keep refreshing on water coticule with one piece of tape. does this apply to any razor with secondary bevel.

Yes, exactly. You put in 3 lines what takes me 33 to explain.

Excuse Gary and me for the of topic intrusion, guys. Please continue as you were.

Bart.