What I am saying is some time I go through the whole pyramid on my King 4000and 8000 and the razor is not as sharp as it should be or the shave does not feel right.

I then back stone as for an over honed razor. I hone as I was taught by my barber some 50 years ago. The saw tooth feel was the indication that the razor was honed and it was time to strop.

I do not think we were getting as sharp as what is looked for now. I have recently received a coticule and only honed 2 razors on it so I don't know if I will over hone on it.