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Thread: 3/8 h/g vs 8/8 h/ground blade
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01-05-2011, 09:43 PM #1
3/8 h/g vs 8/8 h/ground blade
which one is hard to hone and why?
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01-05-2011, 10:12 PM #2
IME the smaller blade. I haven't honed many that small but the light weight and close geometry seemed to make them more difficult for me. I find it easier to use correct pressure on a larger blade is one thing.
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01-05-2011, 10:21 PM #3
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Thanked: 3795Agreed. The smaller is much harder. The geometry is much more difficult to maintain. You can really torque the edge on a larger razor but you can't on the smaller one. Also, taping a 3/8 razor, especially a wedge, can be a nightmare due to the edge of the tape extending so far onto the belly of the blade.
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01-06-2011, 01:41 AM #4
I have had more trouble with a 3/8 blade than any 8/8 blade I have tried. I think just torquing the razor's blade face on such a smaller level can make tuning in edge sections a little trickier.
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01-06-2011, 02:25 AM #5
I don't know that one is harder than the other, but I have to pay more attention with smaller blades.
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01-06-2011, 04:56 AM #6
For me the smaller blades require more skill to reach the same level of honing quality. Any uneven pressure exagerates rounding off the edge.
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hi_bud_gl (01-06-2011)
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01-06-2011, 08:10 AM #7
Imo, Larger blades are much easier to handle on a hone that smaller blades. combined with the fact that I don't like shaving with smaller blades, I just decided that I would not hone (or restore) anything smaller than 11/16.
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01-07-2011, 04:32 AM #8
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Thanked: 2209The smaller blade is more difficult for me. Keeping the proper weight distribution, edge/spine, is the problem area. It is much easier to " stub" the edge into the hone.
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hi_bud_gl (01-07-2011)
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01-07-2011, 07:37 AM #9
Sham listen to Sham
i thank you everyone who respond to this thread and thought will better i post the reason why i post this question.
Recently i had 6 razors to hone. No one was at home and i decide to head hone them up and get job done.
5 of the them were 4 7/8,1 is 8/8 and last one 3 /8.
i checked the blades and start to work.
1 st i did finish 8/8 h/g(in my mind i thought this is the hardest one) lets make this one first.
Next i honed 4 7/8 blades .
Total time i spend almost 1.45 minutes.
Wasn't bad at all. i was taking my time and enjoyed honing.
Now i said ok i am done and will come back to this 3/8 later .
then i decide oh NOOOOOO very small blade hollow ground will take me less then 15 minutes let me finish and i wont get dirty later.
I start to hone this little 3/8 hollow ground blade.
everything was fine. i set bevel 1k shapton then i moved my natural stones.Blade was almost shave ready condition on japanese stones and i decide my last touch for finishing the edge.
To use lovely light green Escher.
stone is ok size 7 by 1 1/8 .
i start make my strokes after 5 stroke OPPS I HIT THE EDGE STRAIGHT TO THE STONE ???
himmmmmmm.
i thought what was that?
Ok i said lets go back to 1k and start all over ACCIDENTS Happens.
Now i didn't change anything from my previous honing routine.
SET bevel and move on until Escher.
ok same Routine start to make my last finishing strokes . i do take every pressure out in my last strokes.
All off a sudden i hit the edge straight to the stone again ?
What happen ? what is wrong with me? when i flip the blade i flip the blade more then i should and make strokes edge touching the stone?
Now this made me Mad.
i am getting crazy now.
i stood up walk around then i thought something wrong with my hands.
May be i am getting old and my hands are shaking???
went front of the mirror and checked out my hands ? they seems to ok.
No shaking .
Ok what it is then ?
i am still Mad at myself. Open another Thiers blade just to look at it . Used so much force cracked the handle?
Ok what is wrong with me?
Now i am out of my mind?
(i used to smoke. in similar situations i would pick up cig and smoke and calm myself down)
I don't smoke anymore.
i sit down and try to calm myself ?
In my mind i am getting just crazy?
questions i have to ask myself?
This is someone else blade with this speed i will have nothing left from this blade?
Next why i am doing exact same mistakes twice in a Row?
Then seems like someone told me Listen to Sham?
this made me think?
Go head turn on the computer and check your own honing and see what you will see.
i did.
i watched the video and i mention couple times
IN LAST STAGE OF HONING TAKE YOUR TIME , DON'T HURRY UP. IF YOU MAKE MISTAKE YOU SHOULD GO BACK ALL WAY TO 1K.
After video i did calm down more. took Blade to 1k and start to hone.
i finished the edge an Escher test the blade .
Smile come to my face.
was happy at the end.
Now i think if you do hone small size blades and don't think it is easier then rest . they are all challenging. Take your time and get job done.
i spend more time to finish 3/8 blade then i honed 5 more larger heavy blades.
Lesson Learned.
hope this will help some of you.Last edited by hi_bud_gl; 01-07-2011 at 08:48 AM.
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01-07-2011, 08:39 AM #10
Yup, that's exactly why I have to pay more attention on small razors. If I don't, on my away stroke, I've dug the edge into the hone. For whatever reason, when it happened to me, it was on the Naniwa 8k, and it takes a little slice out of the hone. I corrrect it in the same way too. Go extra slow and pay extra attention.
I don't know what it is, but whether on the hones, on the strop, or on my face, it's easiest to loose the angle and mess something up with a smaller razor. This is exactly why I don't recommend anything under 5/8 to a new shaver.