ugh...a tape thread...

[DFriedl]

shortens the work cycle considerably

This. It's the same idea as hollow grind vs full wedge. You just have to remove less metal to do what you're trying to do. This response ignores the other purpose of tape, which is to dope an uneven spine.

[regularjoe]

Jimmy didn't read the thread or I didn't write it well. lol I'm very familiar with the tiresome nature of tape threads. lol. The worst part is when you wanna know something specific about using tape, because there's no way to wade through it all. Hence...another tape thread begins. lol.

The statement "if you can't do it without tape, adding tape won't help.", to me, means that every razor is honeable without tape. While I find the idea that every razor is honeable without tape, to be false. The statement doesn't allude to me in any way that adding tape shortens the work cycle. Maybe I'm too dense for this topic. lol.

[holli4pirating]

Adding one layer of tape doesn't change the geometry much (I forget the reported change in degrees), so it doesn't really change the bevel angle. You will remove less steel with tape, because there is a slightly larger bevel angle, but also because you are not removing material from the spine (so the bevel angle gets just a little wider as you hone, since the spine width remains closer to constant). If you are removing a lot of steel, these two factors come into play, and honing takes less time with tape. If steel removal is not a factor, then the tape effectively changes nothing, so either way you should get a good edge.

If you want logically think about the question "If you can't do it with/without tape, can you do it without/with?" just consider what variables you are actually changing. The steel is the same, the geometry change is negligible, your honing stills are the same, the stones are the same, etc etc. Nothing really changes. If you want to practically test it, just pick a razor, and try with and without. Just make sure you actually put in enough (patient) honing time to make sure you can set the bevel without tape.

Just my quick thoughts. Given the extent it's been discussed, I'm sure a search will show you much more.

[JimmyHAD]

Nothing 'wrong' with using tape if that is your preference. I used one layer on everything the first year I honed and it all worked out well. Now I only use it on damascus or decorated spines, and I consider it a PITA .... but it is just a matter of individual choice. IMHO more than one layer is only required, or even advisable, for special applications. No rules ..... all is fair in love, buying on ebay and honing razors.

[regularjoe]

Yeah I don't like to use tape, but in a handful of instances, it was the only way to establish a bevel...IMHO. And regardless of the measurements and science of it all, those razors had plenty of time to get sharp before I gave up and used tape. lol. Small change, Drastically different result. Who knows.

Anyhow, just making sure I was reading the statement correctly. Thanks fellahs.