Sigh. Cudarunner knows. His hearloom chopper has my all time record for length of time setting a bevel. 'No surprise that others could do it faster. [ Though its silent - it was silent from a pro - who knew a thing or two about sharp. That blade convinced me they were all straight from the pit! [ An now maybe they don't have to be obnoxious in the shave - just the honing.