Got Screwed

i got a razor that the seller had "This Razor shows little or no use. Very clean and defined." for the description.... when i got it it was not only honed unevenly on the cutting edge but also had tiny nicks at the point. i emailed them and they said : "I am sorry but I will not refund on this item as I know positively that the razor left here in perfect condition and have pictures to prove it. There was absolutely no damage to any part of that blade and the advertising picture on the listing shows that to be the case. Also it was shipped double packaged against damage and there was no insurance purchased for the shipment. If you wish you can take this to the resolution department. Their research will show that the item was shipped in perfect condition. Loren "

so obviously this b--ch is accusing me of breaking the thing. has anybody ever had success with the resolution center on getting their money back? i don't think that insurance would have been necessary since the thing was damaged before it was sent.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

oh yea i asked for her pics but she hasn't sent them to me so obvously they show the nicks.... i'll know to be a little more investigative on my next purchase..... i also got a razor that was said to have warp free scales but they arrived pretty dam warped but that seller is going to honor the refund.


stupid ebay doesn't allow the resolution proceedings to be initiated until after ten days have passed.

Can we see "before purchase" and "after purchase" pictures?

Aren't the seller pics still up on ebay?

Winchester Straight Razor #8530 - eBay (item 110331987669 end time Jan-06-09 18:00:00 PST)


i was dumb enough to go by the seller's word and lowres pics

i'm having trouble posting my pics.. will do in a little

here they are... it certainly doesn't look unused to me. maybe used a little as a pocket knife

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Shavelle

Winchester Straight Razor #8530 - eBay (item 110331987669 end time Jan-06-09 18:00:00 PST)

---

Says "invalid item"

item # 110331987669

honestly, it doens't look sooo bad to me. it'll take some cleaning up, and a decent honing with maybe a little "breadknifing" if you want the edge perfectly straight, but it'll clean up to be a nice razor.

I agree that the seller is being pretty crappy about the whole affair. If you're bothered by it, try the conflict resolution. Otherwise grin and bear it, and chalk it up to being the cost of doing business on ebay. Even when it seems like things are perfect, it's still a crapshoot sometimes.

I've been burned a time or two myself, but I know I'm playing with fire. But, sometimes the opposite happens. I once bought a henckels razor from a guy, and he ended up shipping me two different razors. I told him about it, and he told me to keep them as well as sending me the one I ordered. I shave with all three!

the nick is pretty small... and yes there is uneven honing (wavy along edge and more at the tang end like you say)... the nick can be seen in the up close pic of blade at the tip end that would be a spike point.

when i search the item number, it comes up for me. item # 110331987669.

thanx for the replies.

little or no use is BS. I can see the hone wear, and although not bad its obvious it was more than a couple times. does the seller do mainly razors? if so front them, small community, nobody will buy from them.

Red

eBay My World - lorenrice



that's her... it looks like she doesn't do many razors. i guess i'm just 'lucky' to get the one she did sell. looks like i'll be the first one to give negative feedback too.

dang i'm ****ed... now i'll be thinking about this s--t till i get my money back or whatever happens when i do the "resolution" thing.

The edge on that doesn't look so bad to me; re-establish a clean bevel and it should be fine. I got a razor that the tip had chipped off of, so I just rounded it. It still works great.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Shavelle

so obviously this b--ch is accusing me of breaking the thing.

---

She doesnt know what you're talking about. To a woman, if the razor doesnt have half of the bade missing it is in good condition.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Shavelle

i don't think that insurance would have been necessary since the thing was damaged before it was sent.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

---

Insurance is never necessary - unless you have an invoice to show USPS, they wont give you the insured amount just because you paid for it. Read the fine print!

that doesn't look too bad to me either but pictures never tell the whole story with razors, and if she didn't give you what you paid for you should go to conflict resolution - and stop worrying about it in the meantime or you will drive yourself crazy. I also wouldn't get too personal - people that aren't into razors really don't understand what they are selling, so getting yourself upset isn't good for you and is like getting made a rock for being hard - she probably wasn't lying, she just doesn't get razors and never will.

I've had mixed luck with ebay, but never felt screwed, and sometimes felt lucky. I got a beautiful henckels really cheap where the seller over-sold a couple of scratches on what was really an immaculate blade. I got a razor where they said it looked like it hadn't been used, and it looked that way in the picture, but it had clearly been used (was way too sharp among other things) and in fact had a ding on the spine. Having said that, I didn't see the ding for a couple days myself so I didn't blame them for not seeing it [and when I really looked for it in their picture I could see it], and it shaved beautifully and was probably worth the $30 I paid for it so i didn't sweat it. I just bought a wusthof I felt I was overpaying for and maybe i did - it has some pitting I didn't see in the pic - but the blade, particularly the spine and edge, is in better condition than showed in the pic (it was filthy and once cleaned up looks pretty nice), and in fact looks like it was never used but just was stored without protection from the elements, and the fitting is tight and perfect contrary to what I suspected, so it will probably be a better shaver than I thought, so on balance I'm happy. And a couple times I've gotten mildly mildly warped scales, in each case with absolutely perfect blades, and a little oil has help realign the scales over time. And most of the time I got EXACTLY what I thought I was buying.

I think with ebay you have to be a little zen about it - you just can't get the certainty you can get in person, you can hedge that with questions, and sometimes you do better than you thought and sometimes worse. And when you really get tooled, you should do what you are doing and pursue resolution, but don't let it bug you or you'll just ruin your own day.

Look, regardless of how the razor looks to everyone- it was not as described. Yes it has been used and it is fairly obvious IMO. I don't know anything about antique plates but if they had old food crumbs and scratches, I wouldn't say they were unused or call them mint.

Cornelius' point is valid though that she probably would think it looked unused even without scales. To me, the edge is messed up towards the toe. Looks 'toothy' and unshaveable. Now I would not expect most razors from eBay to be shave ready, but you have a valid claim. Go to the resolution center and make sure to say you want your shipping $ back too. Too few people write accurate descriptions. As a community you would do us a service to report this.

well i just sent a pic to the person and she says that it is not the same blade!!!!! she sent me a pic where the nick can be seen... what a maroon.

or maybe a moron

this is her pic.. as i and anybody that looks closely, it has the same nick out the tip that my pics have.... she claims it's not the same blade :shrug:

http://f554.mail.yahoo.com/ya/downlo...Ended&inline=1

Go thru the process as it is 'Significantly not as described'
There is considerable wear as the blade is almost flush with the rear flanges.
If she claims it's a different razor there should be some marks to disprove that.
One warning tho - don't send it back till you have a refund. I sent an item back once on Paypal's instructions & seller never refunded me. Also if they clear their account Paypal has no access to their money. Hope you have more luck than me.

While I hope everything works out for you I notice that everyone is making the statement that the blade is different than what was described. The blade was never described as "un-used", she said the blade showed "little to no use."

As far as I can see in yours and her pictures that is true. I don't imagine the amount of work required to make this blade shave ready is significantly more than what you should have been expecting to do from the start with an ebay purchase. I go through the whole process of resetting the bevel on up regardless of how the edge looks because you just don't know the quality of the edge.

The problem is we as members of this community have a much better grasp on the quality issues that a casual seller. I don't think she was being misleading, the razor looks to be in good condition aside from the warpage and minor edge damage. To a non straight user that looks very much like "little to no use."

I think if you had paid less for the same razor described in the same way then there wouldn't be an issue.

If you get everything resolved that's awesome. I say hone that puppy up and enjoy it, from what I see it's not in all that bad of shape.

The ebay pictures show the condition of the blade. The seller's description
"This Razor shows little or no use. Very clean and defined."
looks pretty reasonable for a person who doesn't know much.
I would say you clearly don't know much either, or you would've noticed the problems from the pictures she has on ebay. I must point out that it's you who valued the razor at $46, the seller's starting price was $10.
You may win the dispute, but I don't think you should. I am most certainly not going to hold the description against the seller and I would be willing to do business with them.

I have gone through a couple of disputes with ebay sellers. Generally I do it as a last resort only when it seems that the seller is intentionally trying to deceive the buyers by deliberately hiding the condition of the razor. I don't remember a razor I've bought on ebay that hasn't had any chips to the edge, those are a given. If you want a chip-free edge, you should purchase razors that are still sealed in the original factory packaging. It'll cost you significantly more though.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by gugi

I don't remember a razor I've bought on ebay that hasn't had any chips to the edge, those are a given.

---

Expected, but not gauranteed. Seller advertised as "shave ready" but it had a bit of burr on a small portion of the the edge. No chips though :) (It's possible it had never been sharpened since being made). Ok, ok, I did see a couple of micro chips with a scope.

Shavelle, 2 tips:

1. Ebay has a BAD case of "grade inflation" with respect to feedback ratings. I simply won't buy from anyone whose feedback rating is less than 99.0%...and will only buy from buyers with 99.0 to 99.5% if no one else has the same thing. Can't see this gal's rating, but I'm guessing it may not be 99.5 to 100%.
2. There are a LOT of straight razors being sold on ebay by estate auction sellers--who are selling off an entire estate (meaning, all the belongings of someone who died) and thus, they really have no clue about a lot of the things they are selling. So you have to pin them down and ask hard questions and ask to see lots of photos and such.

Hope this helps!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by gugi

The ebay pictures show the condition of the blade. The seller's description
"This Razor shows little or no use. Very clean and defined."
looks pretty reasonable for a person who doesn't know much.
I would say you clearly don't know much either, or you would've noticed the problems from the pictures she has on ebay. I must point out that it's you who valued the razor at $46, the seller's starting price was $10.
You may win the dispute, but I don't think you should. I am most certainly not going to hold the description against the seller and I would be willing to do business with them.

I have gone through a couple of disputes with ebay sellers. Generally I do it as a last resort only when it seems that the seller is intentionally trying to deceive the buyers by deliberately hiding the condition of the razor. I don't remember a razor I've bought on ebay that hasn't had any chips to the edge, those are a given. If you want a chip-free edge, you should purchase razors that are still sealed in the original factory packaging. It'll cost you significantly more though.

---

Strictly my opinion, but Sir Gugi has given you some fair and sound judgment and advice. Ebay is a crapshoot straight up! I wouldn't NEG the poor gal...she obviously is not an expert although she did the typical ebay seller deal of posing as "sort of one". I can tell you from YEARS of ebay selling experience with thousands of transactions and real life experience as an Auctioneer and Estates.Antique Appraiser, you should really just accept that these kinds of things happen.

so you can see the nicks in the listing pictures? my, you have good eyes. and every used razor you buy has a chip in the edge?... lol, yea right.... my fault for hitting the bid button... my fault for not requesting more pics... but she has sold a few razors and i figure she has eyes to see the conditiion which is definitely NOT little or no use. it's more like a little abused....i expected the thing to be spotted but didn't expect a description of "little or no use" to be used for a razor that i'd have to spend several hours on redoing an edge let alone have nicks that can be clearly seen...time is money. if you still think she's an honest and top notch seller get this... i sent her pics of the razor and she said it wasn't even the same razor. would you like me to forward you her email? that's like selling a pair of shoes with a worn sole as almost new. we all have our opinions but the lady had a 7 day return policy that she didn't honor and then implied that i am a liar. F' THAT!!!! whether it was in the shape she described or not i should have been able to return it per her listing....and not be accused of damaging the thing when pics show otherwise. i got another razor that wasn't in so good of shape that i haven't even said anything about and i won't.. the listing said it was in "pretty good shape"... a lot of difference to me between that and "little or no use"...little or no use means LITTLE OR NO USE!!! could have been unused!! clearly it was used and had nicks!!! like you say, it's a crap shoot. i was just wanting to return the thing (IT WAS IN HER LISTING THAT I COULD DO THAT!!!) and i don't really appreciate being called a liar and i'm sure nobody else does either. i'll even un-neg her if i get my $$ back (which you can do now)..

i'll post the results.. the case was just opened yesterday. and indeed i learned a lesson. :chop:

I'm not going to weigh in on the blade condition as plenty of others already have and I'm no straight expert anyway but I can speak to the dispute issue. If you paid with PayPal and the seller refused to give you satisfaction open the dispute with them NOT Ebay. Ebay favours the seller and if they are a Power Seller they can get away with murder. PayPal may be Ebay property now but they have a function outside of the Ebay scope of activity as a means of effecting the electronic transfer of funds and they wish to maintain a level of respectability, credibility, and reliability for those end users who never buy from Ebay and thus they tend to favour the buyer as they want people to know they can use PayPal with the assurance their interests are looked after. In my years of dealing with PayPal I have never known them to not favour the buyer but the same cannot be said for Ebay even when it was evident the seller was committing outright fraud and violating Ebay's own policies. PayPal's prejudice is known amongst some unethical sellers and this is why they refuse to accept PayPal.

So even if you have the Ebay dispute open I would forget it and open one with PayPal as Ebay will prolong this as long as possible. You'll have an answer from PayPal in a timely fashion.

This whole it is your own fault you got screwed argument is nuts. I couldn't see her picture. He is being accused of switching blades and playing other games. Plus the seller not honoring the return policy. This isn't his fault he is being lied to. All this could have been solved with an accurate description on the sellers part.

But that being said, I always make online purchases with ebay or online sellers like the people on amazon's used book section with my AMEX. Then I go through the dispute process, if I lose, I call up AMEX and dispute the charges, they have yet to let me down, when I've fallen for something online.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by stdreb27

This whole it is your own fault you got screwed argument is nuts.

---

Nobody is saying Shavelle deserved to get screwed. It has just been pointed out that there are different ways to interpret things and deal with them.

In particular, the seller's return policy is a full refund within 7 days (buyer to pay postage.) That would have been one option to take without even disussing the razor's condition! It may have been wise to take that option, and avoid all the animosity.

Seller's comment: "Razor shows little or no use. Very clean and defined."
To an average, uninformed person that claim is an entirely reasonable one. Even to people like us, it can be interpreted as true. It is clean and defined, with the exception of the scuff at the toe of the blade. What "shows use"? Basically a razor shows no visible signs of use from shaving, just from honing. The hone wear on this razor is not excessive. Shavelle says "honed unevenly on the cutting edge." Guess what - my brand new Dovo's bevel is far more uneven than that now that I've made it shave ready, and that's purely down to the geomentry of the blade, not bad technique or heavy use.

The razor "had tiny nicks at the point." That's damage, not sign of use. Again, the seller's description does not contradict the facts. I hate having to ask questions on ebay. But if it was that important to you that the blade be free of nicks you should have asked that specific question before bidding.

If I had bought this razor I would not have felt I'd been screwed. I'd have just honed it up and used it.
Or I may have returned it under the seller's policy if I was really unhappy.
Shavelle has chosen instead to go through a stressful confrontation and may or may not get a refund. In the meantime he is lumbered with a razor he can't use or hone. All for what? To prove he was in the right? How important is that to you really? Wouldn't you have been better off spending an hour honing the blade instead of several(?) hours spent on the dispute?

If you see this as a matter of principle, fair enough. But please accept that there are different ways to view this situation, and you did have other options.:gl:

P.S. The seller also shot herself in the foot. She has lost her 100% positive feedback over this. Just dumb that.

the deal is through paypal not ebay.. lesson is learned. i tried to be civil with the person by just asking for my money back to begin with but that didn't work so now she'll have to stand behind her 96.4 instead for now instead of 100. i bet next time she'll not offer money back guarantee... and next time i won't bid on impulse.:shrug:

Just out of curiosity since I can't look at the listing, how much was this Winchester Spike?????

$50.55 incl shipping

paypal says i get refund. i'll be sending that thing back asap. on a lighter note, i got a couple nice razors with no nicks. already sharpened and shaved with one and another is almost sharp enough to shave with - no nicks. no warped scales. they were both around $11 bux each incl shipping. i know i could sell them both for at least 25 or 30 a piece consertively... but i think i'll keep them.

:rofl2:

HA.. HA..

Registered mail so she has to sign for delivery or she can claim it never came back.

yea definitely... paypal requires that i do anyway. i wouldn't doubt that when she gets it she queefs a stink saying it's not the same one.

I'm glad your are getting your refund one way or another

As a rule of thumb, I always undervalue anything I buy on e-bay for that reason....Let the Buyer Beware

Looking at the bidding history, the bid was at $22 with 39 minutes left....and you sniped with 9 seconds left

If you are using sniping software, you need to be careful!!!

got my munnee back... i didn't use sniping software.. didn't know there was such a thing. lesson learned!