hmmmmmm, well ive looked into picking up a razor off people from the site and only came across a couple, one was ancient and pitted and the guy wanted 99$ for it, the other was a genco 4/8 for 35$ which is a pretty decent deal, but im still looking for that one razor that im going to use and keep for the rest of my life kinda thing ya know?? as for the shaving up, ill definatly try the lube and the angle!! thanks!! maybe if there are any other people you know of who are selling TI's or Dovo's that are nice and in good condition you can tip me onto them!! thanks guys!!