I have about 8 shaves under my belt with my asymmetrical (traditional) grind Kami, and it took me until now to get an irritation free shave. It really does take some getting use to. I find laying it flatter to my face helped a lot. If your not getting good shaves from a traditional western ground straight, your going to have an even harder time with an Asymmetrically ground Kamisori. Just my opinion.