Thanks a lot guys, I'll check out Tony's website. I have a Zeepk that I tried to hone once or twice, before I found out it was garbage, on an oilstone I use to keep my wood chisels sharp, I put a better edge on it than it had, but it still wouldn't shave. I'm going to check out Tonys website now. My question is could I learn to hone on my Zeepk, as it's useless I don't care what becomes of it, and how often does one have to hone a straight razor, I've heard once every two months to once or twice a year?