thank i wll deff take it to take it to a honemeister and see what happens from there hopefully i can i shave from it and i 'll look into getting a norton stone... ha the funny thing is only the tip of the razor actaully gave me a shave either i'm holding it wrong or only the tip is sharp..and i ment to post sooner but i'm suupper busy with work and thanks i'll keep you guys posted on the whole razor issue