ok, will stop repeating. I know I have a tendency to repeat thing expecially when they get on my nerves like this does. I am having a lot of honing sucess at he moment, I am starting to get to a point where my Inox is doing a bit better then my double edges do. My trouble is that being new to straight shaving it takes me a while to do the job this way and first thing in the morning time is not one thing I have a lot of.