Thanks for all the advice.

I tried it again today and didnt work. However, then i remembered that there was one method of lather making that mantic had gone over that I hadn;t tried: making lather in my hand. I tried it and it seemed to work a little better, however still not quite creamy. I think I just need a little more practice using my hand.

Ill wait for the tabac cream to get here to try using the bowl method again.

Thanks again,
KWood34