Yea those are the razors....my thoughts were that if I had two already to go then I could practice for a year with the razors and once they needed honing I could send one off for the honemiesters and practice mine with the other. But it sounds like the 4/8 may not be good to start with? I don't have a particulary tough beard so would there be any other reason why I should stay with 5/8?