Ahh ok I was going to say i need to find me one of their boar ones then cause I really like the badger one. The VDH will give you good lather its the one I started with and still use pretty regular. If the lather is drying on your face you will need to add more water to the mix just make sure to add small amounts at a time. Also rarely will a shave soap or cream give you the puffed up lather from a can that you are use to but thats not a bad thing as that puff is only air anyway.