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08-21-2011, 10:32 AM #21Plausibly implausible
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Hi niftyshaving,
Thanks for the advice. I did 5 up and down strokes on the W&B tonight, I'll see what it feels like tomorrow. I also tried out the Norton 4/8 with the pretty blunt Emil Kronenberg I'm trying to polish and hone, with not a great deal of success. I intend to hand polish it with just wet and dry and some polishing pad things I got from the hardware shop. All the rust is removed but of course it's left behind some pitting. I probably need a couple of weeks of polishing with 600 or 1200 now, not sure whether to stop at 600 or not. We'll see. I'm finding it quite relaxing. Then I'll try and hone it; I wonder how long it'll take me before I can shave with it?Last edited by carlmaloschneider; 08-22-2011 at 09:15 AM. Reason: Sp
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08-21-2011, 12:06 PM #22Norton convert
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It kinda sounds you are doing this with no plan behind it, have you watched Glens honing videos?
Start here:
gssixgun Honing on a Norton 4-8 - YouTube
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08-22-2011, 08:47 AM
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Ha! Well said Blix! Don't hold back! :-)Originally Posted by Blix
Well, not NO plan, but not a LOT of a plan. Yes, I've watched those videos and lots more. I'm wanting to simply 'refresh' the edge at this stage of the two good razors I have. I don't believe I need to 'set a bevel' but admit to not really knowing exactly what that is. I'm actually assuming that setting the bevel is ensuring that the angles of both sides of the blade are equal in that they meet exactly (or as close to possible) at the point 1/2 the thickness of the blade itself, or something like that...??? I also know the edge should be consistent along the length of the blade.
Actually something someone just said in an email has made me think. It was along the lines of needing to hone the razor I'm hoping to buy with tape on the edge; as that's how it was last honed. I guess that would change the angle of the edge, wouldn't it? If my razors were honed with tape on the spine (I didn't use any) would that mean more material needs to be removed (i.e. angle would be less acute).
Sorry for my ignorance, it's ages since I did geometry at school and I'm actually getting rather nervous about honing now...
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08-22-2011, 01:55 PM
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Hehe, I'm sorry if it came out a little crass, that wasn't the intention.
If your razors were honed with tape on the spine, you definitely need to use tape on them using your Shapton.
If you can get one of them to shave nicely again, you should just roll up your sleeves and start learning honing from the ground up, you can set the bevel starting on your 4k. Start now. You'll thank me later
08-22-2011, 10:37 PM
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Relax... to refresh an edge just hone it lightly on a finishing hone. Your Shapton will do just fine.
Wet the hone and rub it clean with the palm of your hand under running
water.
Touching the spine to the hone first lay the razor flat on the hone. Draw it down
the hone pushing the sharp edge first. At the end of the hone lift the sharp
edge first up and over so it is now facing the reverse direction. Hone in the
reverse direction and count it as one.
Five to 15 strokes followed by a smooth visit to the strop should
do the trick if the razor was sharp enough to shave in the previous week.
08-23-2011, 01:48 AM
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Hi Blix, no probs! Just some Aussie humour!Hehe, I'm sorry if it came out a little crass, that wasn't the intention.
If your razors were honed with tape on the spine, you definitely need to use tape on them using your Shapton.
If you can get one of them to shave nicely again, you should just roll up your sleeves and start learning honing from the ground up, you can set the bevel starting on your 4k. Start now. You'll thank me later
I didn't use tape, but am guessing it was used to set the bevel (woops!). I have my reasons for not wanting to use tape (i.e. always havign to use it, maybe wanting to hone out bush when I go camping and maybe not having tape in my pack, maybe leaving plastic residue ont he stone???
Anyway, the W&B I refreshed seems to have a 'thicker edge than the Burrell, but I actually don’t know if it did in the beginning! What I mean is, am I right in thinking that if one uses tape, the angle of the edge will be steeper than if one doesn’t? And IF tape was used initially, and now I haven’t used it, I would need to remove more material to create an edge, wouldn’t I? However, at the end of the day everyone says, “yes, but what did it SHAVE like?” Well, I’m happy to report that after all my mucking around, it shaved lovely this morning, nice and smooth, buttering dry toast sound and even very nice ATG. It could still be sharper, but couldn’t every blade always?
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08-23-2011, 02:38 AM
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I think we have all been here, either while stropping or honing. Numbers aren't that important as feel to me anyway.
No need to be nervous, just slow down a bit, rethink, and have fun.
