I agree with gugi . I learned to shave with razors I was honing myself . I've had over 30 years experience honing my various knives and woodworking tools , and I was able to get an edge I could shave with after about 5 tries . But it wasn't until after I got a shave ready razor from Bob Keyes , that I realized that my edges were not up to the potential they are capable of . There's a big difference between an edge you CAN shave with , and an edge you WANT to shave with .