Thank you for all the advise. I am Scandanavian by blood and as any of our members form norway can tell you is a "viking beard" like mine grow in every direction possible and is hard as steel. but I will continue to abserve how my hair grows and keep trying different angles and such. I have full faith that in time I will be shaving well with my straight and not have to saigh and pull out the 5 blade horror to finish up where I just couldnt get