Thread: Rinsing a brush when done shaving

Originally Posted by CZMark

I now know Robin actually has a sense of humor.

Oh he has, only it's German!

Originally Posted by RobinK

Nothing, depending on whether you trust good old Nelson here more than a seasoned brush maker. When a brush maker with a few decades of experience tells me, "this is how you do it.", that is what I'll do. Germans, you know? We like to follow orders.

Rob, there is absolutely nothing to chuckle about. First, the software did exactly what it was supposed to do. That's good engineering, really. Second, you're from the UK, so your cars are either German or Indian - stop chuckling!

P.S. Ever since your cars went all German/Indian, I have had zero problems with them. Don't remind me of the exhaust system of that 12 cylinder Jag, though. English "engineering" at its bloody worst.

You can't stop me laughing Robin - no matter what you say. The UK car industry is not quite as bad as you make out - Jaguar Land Rover was owned by Ford and is now owned by Tata - that does not make the cars either American or Indian. In reality, car parts are sourced globally so trying to put a national identity on them is a little pointless.

Of far more importance is the fact that Automotive companies (including German ones) all copied the Japanese manufacturing and quality processes. We have one plant in Sunderland that produces more cars than the whole of Italy. So, German/Indian understates the true position.

Not for the first time is one of your arguments based on sand - but I forgive you.

Originally Posted by UKRob

The UK car industry is not quite as bad as you make out - Jaguar Land Rover was owned by Ford and is now owned by Tata - that does not make the cars either American or Indian.

Don't tell my friends, though, Rob. They find the fact that I drive a six figure Indian car hilarious.

Originally Posted by UKRob

In reality, car parts are sourced globally so trying to put a national identity on them is a little pointless.

Oh, I know. That Ford engine is a bloody disgrace, though. Come next year, it will be replaced with an Ingenium one from Wolverhampton. And I doubt that much of it will be sourced elsewhere. Like ZF's 9HP transmission.

Where were we? Ah, yes. Brushes. Carry on, chaps.

On what planet do people view an software that works to supposedly deceive that a legally required standard is being met as being a "good" piece of engineering? There is more to being defined as "good" than merely works as advertised or in this case not really advertised.

Bob

How could I forget that putting a poor living creature into an ultrasound cleaner and turning it on until it's uncomfortable has anything to do with rinsing a brush when done using it...

Originally Posted by BobH

On what planet do people view an software that works to supposedly deceive that a legally required standard is being met as being a "good" piece of engineering?

On Planet Logic, Bob. I said, "First, the software did exactly what it was supposed to do. That's good engineering, really.", and that is correct. I did not say, "First, the software did exactly what it was supposed to do. That is sound ethical and legal behaviour." And you know why? Because it is not. But that was never the question.

Originally Posted by BobH

There is more to being defined as "good" than merely works as advertised or in this case not really advertised.

Maybe from your consumer perspective, Bob. I was, however, talking about engineering.

Originally Posted by S0LITARYS0LDIER

How could I forget that putting a poor living creature into an ultrasound cleaner and turning it on until it's uncomfortable has anything to do with rinsing a brush when done using it...

Well, it was Nelson who suggested I experiment on humans. Given the somewhat shady history of Germans conducting experiments on humans, I thought it might be more palatable if I used a thing instead. Besides, hamster hair and badger hair are quite similar. Last, and that is possibly something Nelson forgot to factor in, not even a shrunken head would fit into a standard issue US cleaner. Or maybe it would. I might actually give it a try tonight.

And isn't this thread supposed to be about cleaning brushes? I mean, yes, cleaning hamsters is close, but, as we saw, not quite the same.

Carry on, chaps.

Originally Posted by RobinK

On Planet Logic, Bob. I said, "First, the software did exactly what it was supposed to do. That's good engineering, really.", and that is correct. I did not say, "First, the software did exactly what it was supposed to do. That is sound ethical and legal behaviour." And you know why? Because it is not. But that was never the question.

I doubt the software was designed to send VW to its first Quarterly loss in 15 years, start Class Action lawsuits around the world, penalize the company with billions in fines, with more to come, and perhaps criminal charges against its executive leadership.

What it was designed and eventually failed to succeed at doing, as the deceit of course came to roost in the criminal, financial, unethical and corrupt behaviour of its leadership, was mask the true emissions from detection, and since we are discussing that in this thread, obviously failed in a spectacularly global manner to accomplish what it was designed to do.

The brand has suffered irreparable damage, and may not recover.

That, in my opinion only of course, is not what I define as, "good engineering".

Actually I was thinking one of these industrial sized cleaners like we used to clean firearms. You could easily stick your head in that.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

Actually I was thinking one of these industrial sized cleaners like we used to clean firearms. You could easily stick your head in that.

Robin make a video doing it aswell. I'd rather enjoy watching it.

Phrank, that's all nice and dandy, but still completely beside the point. And you know that. How about something to actually chuckle about instead?

S0LITARYS0LDIER, If you pay for the ticket, I'll gladly stick Nelson's head in an industrial sized cleaner, and tell the police that you both wanted it.

Or maybe we should simply get back on topic? Just a humble suggestion, chaps.