Thread: So I was gonna buy a Livi but I got this instead...

New toy for work...
oooh.... and tax deductible

I know, I know... 9mm sucks.
Florida only allows .380, 9mm and 38 spl for security work.
Now for the jet funnel kit

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...?Item=66124373


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_USP

It came with 3 mags and night sights too!!

Good choice. I had a 1st gen USP40 that I loved. Mine had the land-and-groove rifling; they only made a few thousand before they switched to polygonal rifling. Great pistol, reliable as heck and accurate. The recoil reduction system really worked, my .40 kicked about like a 9mm, so a 9mm should just lay there like a sorority girl.

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...... aaahhhhh.....sorority girls........

Hell, with calibers like those you might as well throw the bullets at them with your hands!

I am not a gun expert but why are 9mm considered sissy bullets?
From what little I know, 9mm can kill as well as eg. a .44.

I know that .44 bullets carry a lot more energy, but does that really matter?
Ok the visual aspect will not be as explicit, but dead is dead, no?

Cops in Belgium (and those in lots of other european countries as well) use 9mm, and they seem to get by well enough.
Carrying anything else is frowned upon, or so I've heard.

That's partly a matter of history, and partly a matter of experience. 9mm parabellum is seen as a great SMG round but a mediocre pistol round because of our experiences on the receiving end in the two world wars. The 44's and 45's have been popular here since the days of the old west so it's partly a legacy thing. We've tried 9mm cartridges before, the venerable 38 Special was used by the military in the early 1900's and the combat failure of this cartridge led directly to the development of the 45 ACP. The 38 special was the mainstay police revolver round for 40 years before being supplanted by the 357 magnum, which was also a 9mm round though a really high power one. So the 9mm parabellum was considered a weeny cartridge both because of its smaller diameter compared to the combat-proven 44's and 45's, and because of its middling ballistics compared to the police-proven 357 magnum, so both the the kinetic energy fans and the momentum fans pissed all over it.

The 9mm did go through a boom in the 80's after the US military adopted it, but interest waned considerably after congress passed a law restricting magazines to 10 rounds - if you're restricted to 10 rounds they may as well be big ones. After the magazine limit expired interest stayed low due to the bad experiences of the servicemen that actually used the pistol in combat - there have been a lot of reports of GI's in the middle east buying their own 45's to use because the enemy tends to be drugged out when they attack, and with the 9mm they don't even notice they've been hit. And many of the police departments that switched to the 9mm parabellum in the 80's have since switched to bigger cartridges, either to the 45 ACP or to the 357 SIG (which is an autoloader cartridge that duplicates the lower end of 357 loadings). Some switched to the 40 S&W which is kind of halfway between the 9mm parabellum and the 45ACP, and because of this it suffers from the same image problems as the 9mm parabellum, it has a smaller diameter than the 45 and lower velocity compared to the 357 SIG.

I read a study a few years back that actually timed 'shot to dead' for many calibers, manufacturers and loads. Hot .45 loads were in many cases 2 to 3 times faster than the .380 and 9mm.
That said, the sweetest(accuracy/action/weight/recoil)pistol i've ever used was the HK P9S .45. Unfortunately, the sucker would jam om the first round every few clips, so I traded it for the Sig 220. Have since used the USP .45 and a 90 series Gold Cup, still stuck on the Sig.
I'd imagine the USP .40 to have less recoil than the illiustrious Glock. I'd also imagine the Livi would shave better than the USP.