Thread: saber rattling

Originally Posted by gugi

I was, but somebody else was faster than me. But here's how you could've gotten started on your own Let me google that for you


It is always better to make statements based on facts than on speculation or random people's words. I have looked into those programs, their origin and their funding, but as far as I can tell you haven't. Take a look at the links in the previous post, they should help.

I'll take my real world experience of actually listening to real phone calls over "snopes" anyday. I don't speculate about the conversations that I actually listen to. As to the "links", there are joke, it seems like those on the left always have their bookmarked talking points ready to go when someone challenges the welfare state and her subjects.

Makes no difference to me if people in this Country want to ignore what I have actually heard with my own ears. Google it, Snopes it, whatever you like. Bottom line is that there are "free phones" that the Federal Government is subsidizing whether you want to admit it or not.

Frank

Hey it's a free country. You can believe anything you want. I only thought you may like to know what the truth is, but that is not a requirement.

I answered your request for references, and would greatly appreciate if in the future you do not waste my time asking for information that you have already decided to dismiss without giving it any consideration. My time is valuable and you can waste it only so many times before I start ignoring you completely. I do not like to ignore people and would prefer they do not force me to.

Hey, don't try and convince people with the truth or evidence after all they have already believed the rumors or hype so why should they want to accept anything else.

No need to piss off the Admins here by disagreeing with them. I see that when you have a different opinion here other than one's only backed up by Snopes, the team comes out of the woodwork to engage in ad hominem and show of force. (I.E. You're entitled to your opinion, but only mine counts, et. al)

No problem boys, I see that this is your sandbox and I'm just a Guest here, I'll move away from the conversation now. I see this happening almost on every sub forum here on SRP. That's unfortunate too, Mr. Abrams is a class act and has been good to me and others who I have referred to SRD. I'll stick to buying razors and honing services from him but the one way "Admins are always right" BS isn't worth it.

Frank

Trying to paint yourself as some sort of victim here isn't going to work either. People disagree with me all the time, and I am more than happy to argue with logical arguments.

I was clear that your wasting my time what would lead me to ignore you. You explicitly asked me to provide you with references only to declare once they were provided that you actually have no use for them.

I told you you can disagree all you like, but that is at your own expense, the facts remain the facts. For example the program you are referring to was crated not by Obama but by another president which is now dead - Reagan. The bills were passed just like any other bill in congress and signed by the sitting president. Deny it as much as you wish the truth is not going to change.

You can not make your opinion count by simply wanting it to - your refusal to base it on facts is what invalidates it. I most certainly serve as administrator on this site, but that is completely irrelevant to the validity of your argument.

If you want to view and present yourself as a victim that is your own choice, but the only thing you are a victim of is your ignorance and refusal to correct that.

While the concept of an Obama phone is false in that HE did not provide any new services to people, the idea that it's not true in any respect is also false. The phones in question are provided by what is said to be a non profit organization called Universal Sevice. I work in the telecom industry and spent some time in the area of compliance. The money does come from telecom carriers but to say that their contributions are voluntary would be a flat out lie. USF was set up by the Federal govt and act on its behalf. Paying into these funds is nothing more than a tax and failing to do so bring on all the same problems of not paying taxes. I worked at companies that were exempt and others that were not. This is not the doing of Obama but it IS the doing of govt.

Originally Posted by Lakebound

No need to piss off the Admins here by disagreeing with them. I see that when you have a different opinion here other than one's only backed up by Snopes, the team comes out of the woodwork to engage in ad hominem and show of force. (I.E. You're entitled to your opinion, but only mine counts, et. al)

No problem boys, I see that this is your sandbox and I'm just a Guest here, I'll move away from the conversation now. I see this happening almost on every sub forum here on SRP. That's unfortunate too, Mr. Abrams is a class act and has been good to me and others who I have referred to SRD. I'll stick to buying razors and honing services from him but the one way "Admins are always right" BS isn't worth it.

Frank

Frank I am sorry you feel this way. Mods can have an opinion To no?? No one is ganging up on you because of your views. You don't honestly think you are the only one who feels this way or has said what you did on these forums before??

There are plenty of mods here who are VERY right leaning. The only issue at hand here is you insisting that we take your word for something that others have good evidence against. Don't get mad, find proof to support your opinion... which will turn opinion into something with legs.

You know how it is on the net Frank - people can say whatever they want, and do. You might very well may be right, but prove it. Its how gentleman banter. Everything else is hearsay. You know?