Thread: Ivory.....sorry so long, good article

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

I'll never have a 'good' bow ..........

Guitar players are in the same boat BTW .......

Guitar Frets: Environmental Enforcement Leaves Musicians in Fear | Postmodern Times - WSJ

I have a few, lol, but more towards the lower end of that price range. And made of silver, ebony, or tortoiseshell. My friend, however, actually has one she paid a full two fifty grand US for. It is an original Tourte, original designer of the modern bow. I can't remember whether it had any ivory or not.
Shame about Itzak's emotional outburst. It would have been better if he had said 'the ivory trade is inexcusable, and we should all do what we can to discourage it. Most instruments using it, however, were made with pre-ban materials, and should be considered as historic/artistic items, or, in many cases, national treasures.

I don't condone the slaughter of any animal, including the human kind, but the managed hunting and harvesting isn't the problem nor is the ivory that is preban. so what do we do? destroy all of it that sellers have , or they find some way to sell it, now we have created a demand for more to be gotten by any means because the demand will not stop in other countrys. but I,m really not going to spend a lot of time worrying about this one , I guess what I have makes me a bad man, but I,m keeping it. drug abuse rampant and children starving in this country and this is what the guys who make up laws are worrying about ,,,, crazy world we live in tc

Originally Posted by Frankenstein

Most instruments using it, however, were made with pre-ban materials, and should be considered as historic/artistic items, or, in many cases, national treasures.

Maybe, but whereas in past years the individual musician didn't have to prove the origin of the material, now the onus is on the owner of the instrument, not the gov. So, as the linked article states, a stringed instrument, such as a guitar, with an ivory nut/saddle, not uncommon before WWII, would be confiscated with no hope of return. Not just the offending nut or saddle. Tortoise shell pick guards, Brazilian rosewood fingerboards, or back/sides. Get some bureaucrat in customs examining your stuff and they arbitrarily decide your friend's original Tourte may be decorated with ivory ..... kiss the two fifty USD goodbye. BTW, if she has that kind of money you should marry her. Give me her contact info ....... I'll see if I can arrange it for you ...... for a nominal fee .......

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

Maybe, but whereas in past years the individual musician didn't have to prove the origin of the material, now the onus is on the owner of the instrument, not the gov. So, as the linked article states, a stringed instrument, such as a guitar, with an ivory nut/saddle, not uncommon before WWII, would be confiscated with no hope of return. Not just the offending nut or saddle. Tortoise shell pick guards, Brazilian rosewood fingerboards, or back/sides. Get some bureaucrat in customs examining your stuff and they arbitrarily decide your friend's original Tourte may be decorated with ivory ..... kiss the two fifty USD goodbye. BTW, if she has that kind of money you should marry her. Give me her contact info ....... I'll see if I can arrange it for you ...... for a nominal fee .......

Lol. She was more like my boss. Her company would contract me for freelance playing. The price of her fiddle was twice that. She was married, to a wealthy Japanese businessman.
And I've heard plenty of stories of customs pulling out the hammer and smashing offending articles on the spot.

I have never traveled international with any of my instruments...it's better to either borrow or rent in other nations or just buy and ship it and hope it makes it home. (Some have made it and some have not.)

Originally Posted by Frankenstein

Lol. She was more like my boss. Her company would contract me for freelance playing. The price of her fiddle was twice that. She was married, to a wealthy Japanese businessman.
And I've heard plenty of stories of customs pulling out the hammer and smashing offending articles on the spot.

You have heard wrong. Customs does not do that and never has. The stuff is confiscated and if the seizure becomes permanent then they decide what to do with it years later. The only time things are destroyed on the spot is if you bring proscribed fruits or meats into the country and then Agriculture will send it right into the disposal. In some states (like Texas) Customs enforces the state alcohol laws and if you bring more booze in than you are allowed you will be given 3 choices 1-have it seized, 2-pour it down the drain and 3- (har har) drink the stuff right there and then.

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

I may have gotten the dates mixed up ....... here is where I originally got info, then from googling here and yonder .....

http://straightrazorpalace.com/conve...ml#post1290861



Wanting to sell an ivory scaled razor, that is probably pre-ban , but who has documentation ?, is not 'trading in ivory.' A musician who has to worry that his guitar will be confiscated because it was made with an ivory nut or saddle, Brazilian rosewood ....... is more of the same. Certain people want to legislate everyone's morality. I think they call them 'progressives' nowadays. Used to be known as totalitarians.

Actually Jimmy you got that wrong. Progressives or Liberals are usually or historically put in the category as Communists. The right wingers are the ones who are categorized as Fascists.

Choose your own poison.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

Actually Jimmy you got that wrong. Progressives or Liberals are usually or historically put in the category as Communists. The right wingers are the ones who are categorized as Fascists.

Choose your own poison.

I think that used to be an accurate assessment but no longer. Legalize Freedom is a slogan of libertarians. People who let you choose to go to hell in your own way. Barbara Boxer, Teddy Kennedy, Mayor Blomberg, and that lot, want to legislate what you can and cannot do. I think they would be classified as progressives ........ they stopped using liberal because of the negative connotation.

Heres the latest from people that Know what is going on,last week N.Y passed laws forbidding any sales and shippments of any Ivory and any products that have Ivory componants regardless of age,N.J will do the same next week.
It is still legal to own Ivory, you just cannot do anything with it.

Just spent several Hrs listening to live a covarage debate by the house commitee on the issue of interstate Ivory sales.
all agreed that banning legal Ivory in the U.S will have zero impact on Illegal poaching.
They are taking a vote now,will update when I hear the results.