Thread: The Matrrix: Si-Fi or pschyco-religious commentry?

My health insurance is covered by the Canadian government.

who do you think developed the medical techonology that yoru gov pays for, who do you think developed the technology that goes into the ambulance that takes you to the hospital? Twasnt the CA gevernment, it was some souless corporation.

History has always shown that economic freedom provides the highest standard of living for a society. Governemental control over sectors is the antithesis of freedom

How big does a corporation have to become to be souless? I own a corporation to handle income from engineering consulting. Does that mean I and my corporation are souless?


I believe the matrix is a better analogy of a bloated controlling socialist government than any corporation. You can always opt out of participating with any corporation. try opting out of your government.

Originally Posted by trapperjohnme

who do you think developed the medical techonology that yoru gov pays for, who do you think developed the technology that goes into the ambulance that takes you to the hospital? Twasnt the CA gevernment, it was some souless corporation.

And if capitalism hadn't been in place at the time, we would all champion the government agency or whomever for having happened to be the one to get it done.
People did that job and would have done so under another 'system' as well.

Originally Posted by trapperjohnme

History has always shown that economic freedom provides the highest standard of living for a society. Governemental control over sectors is the antithesis of freedom

But the absence of government control is anarchy. Are you an anarchist?
There are no obsolutes. Circumstances should determine the level and direction of our controls.

Originally Posted by trapperjohnme

How big does a corporation have to become to be souless?

It must simply be.

Originally Posted by trapperjohnme

I own a corporation to handle income from engineering consulting. Does that mean I and my corporation are souless?

By design, yes. Not necessarily by practice.
"The problemis choice" (I know, that's the next movie)

Originally Posted by trapperjohnme

I believe the matrix is a better analogy of a bloated controlling socialist government than any corporation. You can always opt out of participating with any corporation. try opting out of your government.

And especially when the government is controlled by the corporations, then there is no escape left.
Fascism proves that both capitalism and socialism equally are capable of tyranous control over citizens.

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Originally Posted by FiReSTaRT

I can live with it as long as you don't include chick flick quotes

...LOVE MEANS NEVER HAVING TO SAY YOU'RE SORRY....

or, how about...

....YOU MAKE ME WANT TO BE A BETTER MAN......

or

...HONEY...IS IT OK IF I VACUUM THE HOUSE AFTER I FINISH THE DISHES?

(...I just made that last one up, but trust me.....chicks would dig that line!)

-whatever

Lou

Originally Posted by scarface

...HONEY...IS IT OK IF I VACUUM THE HOUSE AFTER I FINISH THE DISHES?

(...I just made that last one up, but trust me.....chicks would dig that line!)

Mine does.

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Originally Posted by FiReSTaRT

Robert, you're right about things changing. I like the philisophy of a government-run program because it's liable to me -- the tax payer instead of a bunch of rich share-holders. However, they're becoming more and more liable to the corporate world (2 words: eminent domain), so the lines are blurring. .

Interesting, we both have the same view of the movie but opposite preferences about government and corporations.

I hate government programs because they aren't as quickly liable to me as the corporation. They go for years charging me for services I don't want or use, I don't get water sewage, trash pickup, or health care, and our roads are near the worst in the country. Yet they keep charging me more and more. I didn't vote for any of the people who supposedly represent me, and I constantly disagree with their opinions. If I don't like Gillette I get a Shick. If I want to avoid corporations I go straight. If I like a corporation I buy its products and maybe buy a piece of it myself. I can't avoid the government. They are even charging me for the privilege of building a barn to house my horses though they say they can't deny me either the barn nor the horses they can charge me for a permit to build it on my land with my labor and my materials.

Originally Posted by FiReSTaRT

Ag, you are the perfect example. You are convinced that in order to get anything, you need to run to the corporate world. My health insurance is covered by the Canadian government. My taxes pay for road maintenance. I've been taken in an ambulance built by a government-owned manufacturer. An independent farmer will produce much better food than Kraft or Maple Leaf Foods. A Mastro Livi razor will shave better than the Gillette Corp. Fusion model razor. Time for a bit of a wakeup call

Perfect example of what? I am not "convinced" that corporations are the be all, end all of everything. I am of the opinion that corporations are not intrinsically good or bad and they provide many important goods and services that improve the lives of a great number of people.As far as government health care is concerned, I'm of the opinion that the complete removal of free market forces is detrimental to the quality of care and its cost. As I'm not in Canada and am not subject to it's healthcare system I'm in no position to comment.
The fact is that there is very little difference between a private corporation and any government. The main difference being that if a corporation fails to provide goods and/or services that are worth their cost the corporation is soon out of business. Government, on the other hand, can be(and is) wasteful and inefficient simply because there is no competion and anybody that objects too strenuously runs the risk of a lengthy prison term.

P.S. Independent farmers and Maestro Livi aren't government entities, are they?

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

The fact is that there is very little difference between a private corporation and any government. The main difference being that if a corporation fails to provide goods and/or services that are worth their cost the corporation is soon out of business. Government, on the other hand, can be(and is) wasteful and inefficient simply because there is no competion and anybody that objects too strenuously runs the risk of a lengthy prison term.

That seems like a very huge difference, rather than a very little one. Maybe it's just me.

I think you're ignoring the fact that if an administration doesn't provide the services paid for by your tax dollars, you can always elect another one.
As for objecting.. I don't know how they run things in the States, but as long as you don't resort to committing or inciting violence/property damage/terrorism, the legal system won't bother you here in Canada. If it's different south of the border, you need to elect a new government.

Originally Posted by FiReSTaRT

I think you're ignoring the fact that if an administration doesn't provide the services paid for by your tax dollars, you can always elect another one.

You assume that governments are all inherently democratic.

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Originally Posted by xman

You assume that governments are all inherently democratic.

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That also assumes that waiting and voting in "another administration" would do anything but put a different hat on the same scarecrow.