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Thread: What is wrong with America
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11-21-2014, 10:10 PM #161
In the mix, sure. But so was a sense of nationalism. So was a deep seeded sense of humiliation lingering after the loss in WWI. Also a certain sense of revenge for the way they were treated by the victors of WWI. There were many things in play but I see religion as footnote at best. I believe the distinction is important because its religion that gets the black eye by simply dismissing conflict as religious in nature or attributing so much of the evil of our history to it when in fact government and ideology had significantly more to do with it. We wouldn't have a bill of rights if it weren't for Christianity. Yet when its discussed from a historical perspective, all that anyone wants to talk about is Vatican's crusades from centuries ago. I won't try to cover over any of the ugliness its responsible for. But I think we are often willing to overlook so much of the good it is responsible for in our everyday lives that we take for granted. What's wrong with America? I see this as part of it. The effects will be felt more and more over time. And I'm hardly what you might think of as a religious person.
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11-21-2014, 10:56 PM #162
What is religion but ideology?
We wouldn't have a bill of rights if it weren't for Christianity. Yet when its discussed from a historical perspective, all that anyone wants to talk about is Vatican's crusades from centuries ago.The easy road is rarely rewarding.
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11-21-2014, 11:17 PM #163
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Thanked: 3Its not religion that is the problem...its FALSE RELIGION that is the culprit.
Anyway everything tracks itself back to the fact that there is a inhuman element that many simply dismiss. The keen eyed will see traces of this existence. The true word of GOD gives us clues in the book of Job concerning reliable indicators of the collusion of demonic forces.
Most people simply allow this suggestion to go in one ear and out the other.....which is the worst mistake modern man has ever made.
The devil does not want you to consider for a moment how he is able to exist invisibly among mankind. Statements made about him millennia before modern science designate him as "Prince of the power of the Air". Such invisible elemental statements are beyond many a mans comprehension. Woefully ignorant are most.
But, again, you can see the devil if you open your eyes and LOOK hard enough.....
.......and that is when it gets interesting!
Job, for instance, suffered a methodical torment. One tragedy right after the other in such a rapid succession that only supernatural power could be responsible. One thing that the modern man should learn after reading the book of Job is that when weird things begin to happen, one right after the next,...... knowing fully that mankind cannot possibly be responsible for the timing of the events........, that there is intelligent and direct involvement by real spirit beings.
The attacks on the WTC, the rise of ISIL and the calling out of the US President by name by these evil radicals.... bad weather phenomenon, what is happening with the media and lewd entertainment, the erosion of America as a world power,( as we fortunate enough to have experienced America from the 1980's and earlier),..........
.......ARE NOT A RANDOM FORCE OF NATURE NOR OCCURRENCES NOT UNDER DIRECT CONTROL OF AN INTELLIGENT BEING!
Poor Job had no idea what was happening to him. And he foolishly was angry with GOD. Now this is a concept that many a man has trouble with........the fact that GOD personally conversed with the devil and allowed him to do what he did to Job, while at the same time remaining HOLY and UNINDICTABLE in the act.
But the fact are the facts.....GOD is so far above mankind in comprehension that, sure, it makes one uncomfortable at first to realize that it is indeed true that you can be killed, evil can happen to you and there is nothing you can do. That mingled with the fact that you damn for sure cannot complain or bring GOD under scrutiny because GOD is so far above you that life, death, and such are no reason to bail on HIM.
Job learned this, after GOD himself spoke to him at the end of the ordeal. GOD, in doing so, spoke of how HE created earth, weighed the dirt that makes our globe, created every creature and designed creatures breeding habits...and used the palm of HIS hand to pour out the oceans, and how HE basically sprinkled the stars in the void that we know as outer space as if the stars were ornaments on Christmas trees.
Plus HE names each star we see. Thus indicating personality. Which may indicate other inhabited worlds.
One thing is for sure...when I look at Orion, and the Dipper stars.....it doesn't take long for me to realize that they are not some random constellation....
but instead they were ASSEMBLED.
Look at them one night, and either cringe in fear or REJOICE in the LORD!! Because you will suddenly realize that those STARS were DELIBERATELY PLACED. And they were DELIBEREATELY PLACED to be viewed FROM EARTH the way that they are.
Knowing this you walk away with a respect for GOD. And it also puts our position as Earthlings in full perspective.
Having said that....... I think it still sure sucks to die. And even sucks worse to be murdered. But, hey, GOD sent his Son down and had Him sacrificed for us. So I cant really call GOD on it because Christ walked the walk. And again the blood and its exposure to oxygen and the whole nature of sacrifice and remission of sins befuddles many a non believer.
And that's why so many bristle at the notion of GOD and religion. Pure ignorance of some of the more grotesque rituals. But things so wondrous that they miss in it.
But back to the devil.....it is clear that he and other demons sit and observe individual humans as they did Job. The more you understand about GOD, and the more obscure information you grasp, like what is being told you here, will certainly draw their attention. Especially if you disperse this information worldwide on sites like this. And utilize technology that was never before available to man.
The devil answered The Lord as they spoke, "I have come from walking around the earth". And The Lord said "Have you seen my servant Job?"
Now of course The Lord knew that the devil had seen Job. He knew he had been watching Job. Job was one of, if not the RAREST personality on earth. Of course the devil was watching him.....and without the help of THE MEDIA...as it was 1000's of years before TV and smut scumbag media.
But yea. The devil basically said "Oh well you have given him eeeevrything...but let me screw up his life and lets see what happens"
I cannot stress to you guys how important this debate was and what it reveals about the supernatural observer of man, in the devil. You must realize that the devil was a brilliant strategist. And he was perfect in wisdom and in beauty.
EVEN SO HE WAS PROVEN WRONG IN THIS INTANCE!
But we see the tools he had at his disposal. He controlled weather. This he used to kill Jobs kids. In another instance he directed lightning to burn Jobs herdsmen and sheep to death.
And here is another thing he did. I am sure the Chaldeans who robbed and murdered other of Jobs herd did not have a personal conversation with the devil. But yet they were somehow brought unto murderous contact with them. I can go on and on here...just read the book of Job.
But understanding these things can help one understand the presence of ISIL, and other murderous modern powers. Bad weather phenomenon and the destruction that happens can be better mitigated...if it is not the hand of GOD.
We have rebuking power that Job did not have access to, as his experience happened long before Christs atonement distributed rebuking power to mortal man. If so Job could have said "The Lord Rebuke You", and his hellish ordeal would have been quickly over.
Our nation now has this rebuking power. But we are filled with unbelievers, wicked people, and institutions. But a collective rebuke might be all it takes to rid the USA of this evil supernatural influence.
This "rebuke by American citizen" may take some coordination to do. I have thought of a device though that if distributed to all American Christians might have a positive effect. If you guys care to discuss this I would be happy to start a new thread.Last edited by Mach7; 11-21-2014 at 11:30 PM.
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11-21-2014, 11:35 PM #164
We've managed to work backward from present day America,,, through Hitler,,, WW I,,, then through the Crusades,,,,,,,I can't wait for the link to those mean & nasty Neanderthals. There is no doubt in my mind that most of today's evil do'in can be traced to them.
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11-21-2014, 11:52 PM #165
I was just having a cold one with my friend Mr L. and he was reading this thread. I heard him laughing his butt off. He says things are going so well in the world for him these days he can just take an extended vacation. He simply isn't needed anymore. He says Humans are just so evil they've taught him a thing or two. On the other hand his sidekick Mr death is so busy these days he's being driven to drink.
Mr L says the Big Guy told him "when those Humans get more evil then you, then you will be welcome back here" The Humans will be left to run things downstairs.No matter how many men you kill you can't kill your successor-Emperor Nero
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11-21-2014, 11:57 PM #166
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Thanked: 580Into this house we're born, into this world we're thrown ~ Jim Morrison
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11-22-2014, 12:05 AM #167
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11-22-2014, 12:39 AM #168
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Thanked: 3Actually as defined by "The Word of GOD".
The Word of GOD is actually Jesus Christ, as the word being made flesh and having dwelt among man. The word made flesh was crucified and ascended. Now we have The Bible. Particularly the New Testament, although the Old Testament prophesies of Christ and is very useful as it still contains some secrets.
Now I fully understand how the unlearned non believer thinks this is complete and utter nonsense. That however doesn't make this truth less credible.
But everything else.......including many variations of Christianity are false religion. I personally hold any text in the regard of having zero credibility if it is anything that varies from the King James Version Bible or Dead Sea Scrolls.
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11-22-2014, 12:42 AM #169
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The easy road is rarely rewarding.
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11-22-2014, 01:12 AM #170
I normally don't respond to conversations that tend to get into religion, but. And it's a big but. My only observation, after many years of hearing and reading everyones statements about the only true God and the only true writings as they know it and believe has left me with a bitter taste in my mouth and mind. Has no one, and I mean anyone, ever stopped to consider the fact that the only true writings and statements were the ones written and uttered by the originators of the same. All else, all else is but inaccurate translations, warped by the translators preferences and beliefs. Interpreted to fit their current desires and hopes and distorted to prove their personal points. Even the good that has come from the writings should be considered suspect since we cannot, we the common man, know for sure what the original intent of the first writings.
I was born into one religion, I looked into several other religions and have had to come to the realization that there is me, the world and the Universe. Preach not to me or the world but act, in the good faith that a good deed will seed another, ad infinitum. As for the evil that exists in the world, it is of our own doing and we must, unfortunately act in ways we would rather not to contain or eradicate it. We all can't be Gandhi's, Mother Teresa's or Nelson Mandela's but a little good each day can bring about Universal change.
Case in point: SRP's habit of paying it forward. I have had to explain to several members the concept of PIF since they seemed to not understand how anyone could give a total stranger a gift or a helping hand."The sharpening stones from time to time provide officers with gasoline."