Thread: What is wrong with America

Case in point: SRP's habit of paying it forward. I have had to explain to several members the concept of PIF since they seemed to not understand how anyone could give a total stranger a gift or a helping hand.[/QUOTE]

But I have so much fun PIF to those who arent trolling, it feels like a spiritual experience in that I know that I help another without pretenses and that is one thing that is right with America. I will track a package sent to an unknown ,getting joy knowing what they will find when they open the box. The Thank-you is appreciated and touching.

Spashone said: "And this is exactly the root of all the religious strife...as soon as you claim that you are right and everyone else is wrong, wars erupt. I am happy that your faith gives you comfort. Why is the same courtesy reciprocated?"


That is the root of religious strife as far as heretics and "Satan ministers". Satan still kept his form of Angel of light, even though he is fallen. So his ministers and the religions he influences, especially his variants of Christianity, will attempt to masquerade as a form of light.

I can disagree with someone. Why should I war or fight? GOD can fight for HIMSELF and GOD can prove HIMSELF if HE chooses to. I can debate like a rational human being. I know The Word is correct. What kind of moron would resort to physical violence resulting from religion?

Those people causing "religious strife", from the the Inquisiton and the Salem Witch Trials...... to the current radical Middle East and ISIL murders, cheapen the very notion of a GOD and prove that kind of belief as weak if the practicioner must resort to physically murdering a non combatant on behalf of a God who is so powerful.

My GOD tell me that HE not only has the power to kill, but HE also cast the body AND soul of who HE has killed into Hell. Mere "religious men", whoever they are and whatever religion they are, have NOT the power to throw into Hell. Men can only kill the body. But he killing of the body is nothing to fear neither is it a ability to be feared.

It is the ability to cast into Hell that should be feared. And HE who has that power is to be FEARED, RESPECTED and WORSHIPPED! Only the FATHER of Jesus Christ has this power. None else. YES, GOD has a Son!

This is why ISIL proved themselves not to be feared. They only showed the power to kill the body...but no power have they exhibited afterward. If our, (I'm American), military intelligence was aware of this they would quickly understand not only ISIL, but the entire Jihad Islamic Terror movement as nothing to fear.

If we were a country with this knowledge, especially in our military, we might garner favor from GOD. And a GOD who may openly display the bringing down to HELL of evil murderers only capable of killing the body.

I will tell you one thing, I believe that ISIL is scared, especially their main executioner. Who should be as terrified as any murderer who has discovered that his power, after killing the body, is non existent. To retain that insignificant power of the kill, sure, they will continue to kill the body. But it is all they have.

In a frantic effort to keep from confronting the fact that they have no other power.....and also that a Eternal Hell waits them.

All who murder, especially claiming to be doing so at the command of GOD against someone who doesn't believe as they do, are children of the devil. No GOD will force anyone into submission by the hand of man.

You will never see any extreme or radical behavior from me when it comes to religious debate. I respect your opinion and you have a right to feel the way you do. I expect the same courtesy when I defend my standpoint or belief.

I am secure in my GOD and HIS Word. Only someone insecure would conduct themselves in a manner that old Inquisiton Zealots, Salem Witch Zealots, or Islamic radicals have.

Whatever the belief system is, when its practicioners start killing people over nothing, and are incapable of decent debate something is wrong. This kind of behavior is what the "Heathen" are known for.

What is wrong with America?............Washington!

Originally Posted by Razorfeld

I normally don't respond to conversations that tend to get into religion, but. And it's a big but. My only observation, after many years of hearing and reading everyones statements about the only true God and the only true writings as they know it and believe has left me with a bitter taste in my mouth and mind. Has no one, and I mean anyone, ever stopped to consider the fact that the only true writings and statements were the ones written and uttered by the originators of the same. All else, all else is but inaccurate translations, warped by the translators preferences and beliefs. Interpreted to fit their current desires and hopes and distorted to prove their personal points. Even the good that has come from the writings should be considered suspect since we cannot, we the common man, know for sure what the original intent of the first writings.

I was born into one religion, I looked into several other religions and have had to come to the realization that there is me, the world and the Universe. Preach not to me or the world but act, in the good faith that a good deed will seed another, ad infinitum. As for the evil that exists in the world, it is of our own doing and we must, unfortunately act in ways we would rather not to contain or eradicate it. We all can't be Gandhi's, Mother Teresa's or Nelson Mandela's but a little good each day can bring about Universal change.

Case in point: SRP's habit of paying it forward. I have had to explain to several members the concept of PIF since they seemed to not understand how anyone could give a total stranger a gift or a helping hand.

The whole PIF thing is actually controlled by GOD. In my Bible it says that those that did not know who GOD was, especially when Israel had a exclusive relationship with GOD and no other Gentile nation did, that those Gentile were a "Law unto themselves".

Their conscience would excuse thoughts or accuse others. Though the conscience is an act of GOD they knew it not. And in the millennia before Christ and the millenia that followed, those that knew not Christ formed their own systems based on conscience.

This of course excluding an Islam, as well as other variations of Christianity like Mormonism, that directly referenced Jewish scripture & personages because, obviously, there was again, direct reference to Christ in these systems

But the systems having little knowledge of Christ, or no real regard for Christ is where the concept of "Karma" and such came into play. People who knew really nothing of Christ began to comprehend a cosmic system that would regularly and reliably reward good works, but one that would also punish evil deeds committed.

This especially true in the eastern religions of Asians.

But they were all truly unaware that the Father of Christ had a direct hand in this "conscience" system. And it was to places like these that the message of the TRUE GOD was to be sent. Thus they could understand this "Karma-iac law" and conscience system NOT just as a impersonal,cosmic reward & retribution force of nature......

But, rather, as being the result of the DIRECT PERSON OF GOD THE FATHER OF JESUS CHRIST.

Then all was to be explained to them. The creation of man. Mans fall. GODS selection of the Jews, the sacrificial law, and finally the ironic turn of Christ being rejected of his own and slain to fulfill the plan that GOD had all along.....to create Sons and Daughters out of ALL PEOPLE & NATIONS!

They would be told the scriptures. If they had faith they would receive the Holy Spirit and the "Spirit of truth". The nonbeliever, referred to as "The world" would not receive these spirits. But for the believer these spirits account to what is a supernatural "uplink" to GOD.

Thus the Gentile believer experiencing daily supernatural understandings of aforetime exclusively Jewish texts and prophesies. As well as understanding their relation to the New Testament.

This is a main difference between the believer and the non believers. Of course the unbeliever will not EXPERIECE the gift and Spirit. The unbeliever cannot receive it. And the unbeliever is vulnerable to the teachings of false prophets and doctrines of devils as well.

The believer though cannot be fooled.

Race and nationality become irrelevant as the believer is changed into a child of GOD. Though there is still an order as far as male female conduct concerning church, those orders are pure and all creation reflects the purity of this command of GOD.

There are abilities called "Spiritual gifts" that only the believer can be reckoned with. Abilities that transition from the flesh realm to the spirit. The ability to Prophesy, "prophesy" being a word and ability that makes no sense to a nonbeliever. But is a powerful superpsychic uplinking to GOD and the future and matters beyond the mental faculties of the nonbeliever or the heretic......thus easily dismissed and gone unaddressed in many a congregation.

But even in a rebellious ancient Israel some Kings would summon a prophet. These Kings would get angry with a bad prophesy, or a prophet that would bring them bad news.....but at least they acknowledged prophesy as a fact, and as a necessity to communicate with GOD...thus winning wars, and securing kingdoms.

And remember only Jews had this tactical warfare advantage back in those days. No other nation had true prophets or a true relationship with the TRUE GOD.

Currently I am amazed at how any nation wins a war without the usage of prophets. But the one instance in 1Kings ch 22 revealed a host of angels standing before GOD seated on a throne, and one angel offering to send the King false information so as to lose a battle.

This is major information that most choose to ignore, or hold in the esteem as fantasy land tales. Not knowing the power that is present.

But, anyway, it is small factoids like these that should alert the non believer to as how little he really is aware of. But I understand how is easy to dismiss "religion" because most of it is, indeed, false. And even worse most are run by Satan functioning in his easily accessible form as an angel of light with his ministers masquerading as messengers of light in heretical, or apostate from the actual truth, systems of Christianity.

So, believe me I understand many a non believers bristling at the notion of "My GOD is the true GOD". But I will debate no further. I have written what I have written. And It should be enough to defend my viewpoint. I appreciate the thread and the opportunity to debate about "what has happened to America".

Originally Posted by Splashone

What is religion but ideology?



The Inquisition was not war but religious evil, in fact no different from what ISIS is doing now.

ˌīdēˈäləjē,ˌidēˈäləjē/
noun
1.
a system of ideas and ideals, especially one that forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy.

Gentlemen, many of us have read and reread the Bible, The Torah, The Koran, and other tracts. Some of us may be ordained. Some of us have come to the opinion that the word probably has been seriously modified since the giver uttered it.
One particular sect has a book they consider to be the word of God, In that book it says in many places that the living teacher is the only way to reach heaven. The book is still their only god.

A book, whatever its antecedents is only a book, and many of those have been written during periods of repression of the group. Any teaching other than the Overall ruling hierarchy was punishable by death. So there were changes in the wording which only the folks verbally instructed in the real knowledge understood; others later thought those statements were the true meaning. Translations have not helped anything! I went to a religious study class at a workplace and was totally, I shouldn't have been, surprised to see some of the folks bring in about ten books each. The course was to last for three months...they had, at the end of that time, finally decided to study...John 1. Too much about religion and too little of living it.

All the book beating in the world will not give this country anything. A bit of its application in moderation may help.
The most fervent prayer is the shortest! The most powerful speech is the shortest, The most powerful term in office is the shortest.
Your thought are welcome to vary!
~Richard

Well said Geezer. Christ was frustrated with the fact his followers didn't understand what he was telling them over and over again. The written word is compiled on confusion and rewritten to suit Kings. And all these problems we have revolve around worshiping money. Another warning given in all the books which is so easily passed over and forgotten. We are living in the wake of ponzi schemes. Something we could fix but not without some suffering. That suffering is more feared than living with the nonsense we see on the news every day. And so the great American folly continues. It started off on the right foot but even though the creators of this country did everything they could to set it up so as not to fail. Greed is killing it. The big question is how long before we do something about it or how long before it's to late? We all know what's wrong.

The great American patriot Benjamin Franklin was asked, upon his emergence from the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia in 1787, what form of government the United States was going to have. Franklin answered succinctly, "A Republic, if you can keep it."
~Richard

Yeah I like his quote that goes something like this " A democracy is 2 wolves and a rabbit voting on what's for dinner. A republic is a well armed rabbit contesting the vote."
What's really wrong is more people think America is a democracy. I hope the day never comes (when I am alive) that they learn the truth.

Actually there is nothing wrong with America!!! There is a great deal wrong with its denizens and leaders.
~Richard