Thread: second hand smoke. the real scoop.

See what I mean Justin. I was just feeling a little sorry for you, being my twin and all.

Originally Posted by jaegerhund

Hello heliguy,

Do you have to fear the end of the world to better use resources? I would like to think humans can use good old ingenuity to better use resources and just take care of your little part of the world.

But I guess I'm naive ----

Justin

I have to agree with 100% here. The US Navy is now using a tesla thought up energy source. It is the natural vibration of the earth and everything in the universe to power it's warships. I know very little about this new technology other than it does exist. Tesla patented this back in the early 1900's and is what most of his free energy was based on. Also there are eye witness acounts that he made an all electric car than ran off this in the early 1930's that could travel around 65 mph. I have done a lot of research on this guy and he was amazing. Now instead of using vacuum tubes like tesla did they are using some sort chip to absorb the energy and turn it into ac electricity. I have seen some videos of people using similar stuff to run 2 hp ac motors but am very unsure of its accuracy since they claim people are after them and cant show how it's done. May be true, it's well documented about how almost all of tesla's technology was stolen and his patents were changed, but hard to believe without showing how it's made. They are using tesla's technology for the HAARP facility in alaska designed to change weather patterns, change the gulf stream and use as a missle defense shield, who knows what else. Maybe that has something to do with this as well.

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Originally Posted by jimmyseymour

I have to agree with 100% here. The US Navy is now using a tesla thought up energy source. It is the natural vibration of the earth and everything in the universe to power it's warships. I know very little about this new technology other than it does exist. Tesla patented this back in the early 1900's and is what most of his free energy was based on. Also there are eye witness acounts that he made an all electric car than ran off this in the early 1930's that could travel around 65 mph. I have done a lot of research on this guy and he was amazing. Now instead of using vacuum tubes like tesla did they are using some sort chip to absorb the energy and turn it into ac electricity. I have seen some videos of people using similar stuff to run 2 hp ac motors but am very unsure of its accuracy since they claim people are after them and cant show how it's done. May be true, it's well documented about how almost all of tesla's technology was stolen and his patents were changed, but hard to believe without showing how it's made. They are using tesla's technology for the HAARP facility in alaska designed to change weather patterns, change the gulf stream and use as a missle defense shield, who knows what else. Maybe that has something to do with this as well.

Nonsense. Everyone knows the US Navy runs its ships off of magic. But it never works for CIWS.

sorry here's the links:
http://www.automation.com/store/p1030details18964.php
http://www.microstrain.com/news/article-15.aspx
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Fr...search_Program

I can't find the article anymore on the vibration harversters that were used to power the reduction gears for propulsion. Basically use the same thing to power generators instead of gas turbines or steam turbines and you have free energy. It's what tesla designed a long time ago, technology just finally caught up.

Perpetuum has launched the world's first truly effective vibration energy harvester to power wireless and battery-free devices capable of sending large amounts of data from many types of industrial equipment. The PMG7 high-performance microgenerator enables users to power sensors, microprocessors and transmitters for accurately monitoring the condition of plant equipment and machinery without the need for batteries, expensive cabling or maintenance. The easy-to-install solution is now available to OEMs, sensor manufacturers and end-users in all industries, allowing them to make significant cost savings.

The microgenerator converts kinetic energy from the vibration of the equipment running at mains frequency (50 or 60Hz) into electrical energy. It can generate up to 5mW which is enough to power a wireless transmitter sending up to 6Kbytes of critical data every few minutes, or smaller amounts of data - such as a temperature reading - several times a second. It is a practical device which can operate in most industrial environments and at minimal vibration levels (25mg).

These are the little ones.

Originally Posted by xman

Clearly you are aware of the religious domination of the issue. Science then wasn't what it is now. It's hardly comparable since noone is threatening to try scientists for speaking the truth today, at least not in the west.

Not their lives but certainly their livelihoods, if you don't teach the prevailing view you don't get tenure, if your research isn't going the way it is supposed to your funding dries up. Much or the investigative science seems to me to be too tied to the purse-strings of politics thats why this issue is so dangerous. It is the politicians who are telling us how to fix what is a complex issue while the scientists who best understand it are sidelined after identifying it. Often the solutions seem less than the best approach though certainly the most politically expedient one.

Originally Posted by xman

Relatively nothing compared to what you're paying in taxes to keep the military industrial complex war machine humming along for causes like Iraq. But that's profitable for a few, the few that gets the contracts, certainly not for the taxpayer.

You know it's funny how short sighted people can get. Ten years ago there was a huge debate about implementing the internationally recognised Kyoto Protocol and the Liberal Canadian government at the time paid great lip service to doing so. The Conservative Opposition was dead set against it. Now the Conservatives are in power and blaming the previous administration for not implementing Kyoto soon enough. They can't implement Kyoto themselves because they'd be easily pegged as hypocrites. Their "made in Canada solution" to sidestep the impending recession which would (according to them) occur from late implementation? A whole new lip service paid to a plan designed to do nothing except make people feel better. I wonder if it'll work. The Environment has topped Health Care for the first time ever as the issue Canadians are most concerned about and we could end up having an election on it any time now.

X

Out of curiosity. Why has the environment surpassed Health care as THE concern of the people? Perhaps led there by the media? Enlightened self interest would suggest that being worried about something that could cost you your life or lives savings would be of a higher priority than a long term potentially dangerous change.

Originally Posted by Wildtim

Not their lives but certainly their livelihoods, if you don't teach the prevailing view you don't get tenure,

Well this is true, but we're generally hearing about climate change from the guys who already have tenure and the rule for them is that you can't can them no matter opinions they hold.

Originally Posted by Wildtim

... if your research isn't going the way it is supposed to your funding dries up. Much or the investigative science seems to me to be too tied to the purse-strings of politics thats why this issue is so dangerous. It is the politicians who are telling us how to fix what is a complex issue while the scientists who best understand it are sidelined after identifying it.

Which is exactly how politicians dealt with Climate Change back when it was just called Global Warming. It wasn't economically expedient for them to listen (and they still believe that's true) so they do their best not to.

Originally Posted by Wildtim

Out of curiosity. Why has the environment surpassed Health care as THE concern of the people? Perhaps led there by the media? Enlightened self interest would suggest that being worried about something that could cost you your life or lives savings would be of a higher priority than a long term potentially dangerous change.

Well let me just cast aside the notion that protecting the environment would be economically devastating. Put simply, the gov't just wants to placate the petroleum industry and their sweeping advancements in gathering oil from the oils sands. The only ones who truly stand to suffer are the established corporations. It's like the pulp industry. They doggedly oppose the creation of a hemp industry because they'd lose profits. Even if they diversify to hemp themselves there'd still be costs.

I honestly am not sure why the environment has taken the pole position with Canadians at this time. I don't think it's the media since they have not been very vocal about it, but have kept the issue burning for years now without any great response. THey may have played a role in the end, but more of a catalytic one than instigational one. The people were ready for something and when they got it, some (clearly) came through mass media communication.

I think it may be twofold. First, the internet is a great way for underground movements to communicate and gain momentum. This has an effect on social opinion, but only in underground circles. The generations are changing on Parliament Hill too though and I think that the politicians are just catching on is all. That's the second fold. Two of the four party leaders in The House are very 'green' now and the federal Green Party may actually get a seat in the next election (unlikely though) and that party has been in the media more, even though they have failed to earn a seat in parliament ever. Their place of prominence now, comes from raising enough funds to run candidates in all ridings and garner 3-5% of the national vote.

That slow political change on The Hill combined with a collective conciousness among the public on the issue made it all ready for something to come along and push The Environment (2nd most important issue for several years now before even The Economy) ahead of Health Care. For us here in Canada that catalytic moment was also likely twofold. The federal Liberal Party leadership was won by the former Environment Minister (convention votes of course) who ran almost solely on an environmental platform. Secondly, Al Gore and An Inconvenient Truth. Thus it up from underground and even the sleepy mainstream could grasp the issue. At least, that's what I think might have happened.

X

Originally Posted by jaegerhund

Good job fellas on all fronts.

I think it's kind of funny how Dennis started this thread ---dropping a bomb ---and left us to war and toil over it.


Justin

Yeah, they don't call me MENACE for nothing!

I've been watching responses with interest. Seems everyone already has their minds made up one way or another on this issue. I know I do. I think global warming is bunk. Meteorologists can't even predict the weather for next week, let alone next century.
I think second hand smoke may be irritating, but not terribly harmful. It might even be beneficial as it makes the immune system work harder. Pipe smoking males in most studies tend to live one to two years longer than non-smoking males, including a test in Sweden using identical twins, to zero out the genetic inclination. Who is around quite a lot of second-hand smoke? Pipe smokers. We generate it. Most of us don't intentionally inhale, but we certainly get the second-hand smoke.
Also interesting no one has commented on Dr. Williams statement about what if a business wanted to be non-smoking and the government forced them to allow smoking to protect the rights of the smoking minority?

Originally Posted by dennisthemenace

Yeah, they don't call me MENACE for nothing!

Dennis ---- hope you took my statement as a compliment ---- I have respect for such wise individuals.


Justin

Well, thanks for the compliment! Then I had to go and post something and blow it!

My father would never have made that mistake. He never said much. Once at a family gathering, an aunt commented on it, saying, "Nick, you haven't said one word all evening."
My dad's reply, "Well when I don't speak, people either think I'm a fool or a very wise man. If I did speak, they'd know."
Everyone laughed and then realized that they still didn't have any idea. Dad just smiled.