Thread: A question on the constitution

Originally Posted by gugi

Well, that's the system that was set up over 200 years ago, and I'm pretty sure there have always been unhappy people.
When the system doesn't work there is one solution only - civil war and changing it - so the question is do you think that would make everything better? Do you have a better system in mind? I mean the one that works better when the guys you don't like are in charge, because unless you're the dictator there will always be times when you don't like the person in charge.

The real issue is that revolutions and tearing down is relatively easy compared to building something better afterwards.

I'm not sure about the issue you're referring but my thinking is that when you set up extrajudiciary process out of expediency or whatever it cuts both ways - the executive gets full control of what happens without interference from the judiciary.

I don't claim to have an answer,but it seems to me that most of the elite in Washington aren't doing their job. As for the apologiser in chief, he is an seemingly out of touch with what's going on in the world,and would rather be an ex-president.

Originally Posted by Grizzley1

I don't claim to have an answer,but it seems to me that most of the elite in Washington aren't doing their job.

Did you vote for the same representative and senator in the last election? I thought the job approval of the president is somewhere in the 40s%, the job approval for congress in the 10%-15% range.
Like this immigration lawsuit - if the lawmakers don't think the president is following the law correctly as intended I'd think they could just write the law in a clear way that doesn't leave him room to interpret it the way they think is wrong. After all that's pretty much their job description the courts are not supposed to fix bad laws the congress is.

Originally Posted by Grizzley1

As for the apologiser in chief, he is an seemingly out of touch with what's going on in the world,and would rather be an ex-president.

I am pretty sure the award for not understanding what's going on in the world goes to Bush and Cheney the only thing in the Iraq war that happened exactly as they promised was the shock&awe - but I don't think they deserve the credit that US had thousands if not million times the gunpower of Iraq.

Originally Posted by gugi

I am pretty sure the award for not understanding what's going on in the world goes to Bush and Cheney the only thing in the Iraq war that happened exactly as they promised was the shock&awe - but I don't think they deserve the credit that US had thousands if not million times the gunpower of Iraq.

True. When it comes to blowing stuff up with an absolute overkill, no one does it better than the US.
It didn't do anything that was expected and the situation now is worse then before, but there were some great balls of fire

Well since I said that the founding fathers would shake there heads I've read about race, the law , politicians. All of which is true. Lets take race first. all over the world one race has been against the other or another or the skinny one or the fat one. lets face it people don't get along. never have never will. as far as the civil war if you dig far enough it wasn't about race but like all wars it's about greed one way or the other and if you go back in history there has not been a single race of people that has not been a slave .
Now Gitmo. I for one would not want people here in this country who's main purpose is to kill me. I keep looking at the twin towers and think what would our founding fathers have down if they had the fire power we have today. I really think GW didn't do enough. Of course I've been told I was an old war horse. War crimes are different than terrorist and should be treated differently. I can't quote chapter and verse but in the bible when one group captured the other in war well I keep thinking of what happened at Jericho.
Politicians. most of which are lawyers. They don't want the people to really understand the laws that are written that way they aren't held accountable. Really how many of us common citizens read and write in lawyer terms. The president with a small p. Never really severed his county. no military experience at all. where he was a politician is almost in ruin. In my opium the only reason he is president is because of money and he's almost black. I would have preferred Colin Powel. He is a distinguished and honored leader. Proved his metal for many years.
Now the American people. We've all turned into wimps. hope I spelled that right. This all voluntary military. I really think they need the draft or maybe not maybe every able body American man and woman should server there country for a couple of years regardless. no getting out of it because of going to college or mommy and daddy have boo coos of money or I know the right politician. It might just grow them up some and teach them not only respect of others but them selves.
Well I guess I've P--d off enough folks by being on my soap box. But for now that's still the first amendment. When the politicians that the second amendment from us then they'll take the first.

The main problem with Gitmo is not that the US went after terrorists.
The problem with Gitmo is that the US simply kidnapped anyone who they 'thought' might be a terrorists, and then held them without legal process and tortured a good number of them, just in case.
Many innocents were captured, and then tortured or sent out for torture.
Due process and laws are supposed to make sure innocents have protection against a government.
Torturing and kidnapping innocents is wrong. Period. No matter who does it.

Originally Posted by Bruno

The main problem with Gitmo is not that the US went after terrorists.
The problem with Gitmo is that the US simply kidnapped anyone who they 'thought' might be a terrorists, and then held them without legal process and tortured a good number of them, just in case.
Many innocents were captured, and then tortured or sent out for torture.
Due process and laws are supposed to make sure innocents have protection against a government.
Torturing and kidnapping innocents is wrong. Period. No matter who does it.

Each to there own. It would be nice if everyone played by the rules. but when they don't. Give them back more than they gave. But that's just my opinion I do wonder however what would have been accepted to have stopped Hitler and his people. They killed millions. anyway like I said each to his or her own way of thinking. have a good day

Originally Posted by rhensley

Each to there own. It would be nice if everyone played by the rules. but when they don't. Give them back more than they gave. But that's just my opinion I do wonder however what would have been accepted to have stopped Hitler and his people. They killed millions. anyway like I said each to his or her own way of thinking. have a good day

Don't worry, WWII was far from a clean war on both sides. Not a lot of people want to dig far enough to read it or just flat out ignore it. Nobody wants to think of their side as having committed war crimes.

Bob

War is not clean as you put it anyway. A terrible waste of life. It's unfortunate everyone can't just sit down at a keyboard and just talk. There is a phrase in a book I have read that said that there will always be war. I can't quote chapter and verse but it appears to be true.

Originally Posted by rhensley

lets face it people don't get along. never have never will.

Probably never would be perfect, but we certainly seem to be getting along a lot more than 50 years ago or 100 years ago or 150 years ago etc. I certainly don't think that it is an excuse, I personally see it as a reason to improve and do better.

Originally Posted by rhensley

as far as the civil war if you dig far enough it wasn't about race but like all wars it's about greed one way or the other

Would you extend this sentiment to the US revolutionary war? To the WW1, WW2, the Korean, Vietnam, Iraq, Afganistan, Iraq2 wars? The 'cold war', the 'war on terror'? If yes, would you include US on the greedy side, or it's the other side who is greedy and the US is simply the victim defending itself?

Originally Posted by rhensley

Now Gitmo. I for one would not want people here in this country who's main purpose is to kill me.

The question is how do you know who are these people? Are you comfortable with a scenario when somebody is angry at you and short on cash, so they point at you, collect a bounty and you're taken somewhere and subjected to 'enhanced interrogation techniques' until you confess to your terrorist connections and reveal all your knowledge of plots to kill americans?

Originally Posted by rhensley

War crimes are different than terrorist and should be treated differently. I can't quote chapter and verse but in the bible when one group captured the other in war well I keep thinking of what happened at Jericho.

I don't see how the Bible is relevant, but I'm curious so if you can look up that chapter and verse I'd love to read it.

Originally Posted by rhensley

Politicians. most of which are lawyers. They don't want the people to really understand the laws that are written that way they aren't held accountable. Really how many of us common citizens read and write in lawyer terms.

How would you suggest doing it differently? Right now they are chosen by the common citizens. Before USA was founded they were appointed by the king/queen instead (or their representatives) who were born into being king/queen. Do you think that was better, or you have a third alternative that is better than either of these two?

Originally Posted by rhensley

The president with a small p. Never really severed his county. no military experience at all.

That's the constitution and the founding fathers - they set the system and set up the civilian president elected by the states the commander in chief of the military.

Originally Posted by rhensley

I would have preferred Colin Powel. He is a distinguished and honored leader. Proved his metal for many years.

But he hasn't even run for president.

Originally Posted by rhensley

Now the American people. We've all turned into wimps. hope I spelled that right. This all voluntary military. I really think they need the draft or maybe not maybe every able body American man and woman should server there country for a couple of years regardless.

This isn't spelled in the constitution, but you may find interesting how the conscription has worked through the history of USA
Conscription in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

First Yes we do need to do better. The bad thing is over a period of time it want. We ( when I say we I mean everyone) seem to forget what happened in the past and in some way or the other we do it again.There has always been wars and always will be. As far as the chapter and verse I believe it's in the old testament but then again i'm not sure. Yes I would say that in one way or the other money (when I say money that would extend to anything that is valuable.) was the main reason. It really doesn't matter who starts the war. if you dig long enough it will show greed. As far as letting folks in this country that wants to kill me. Maybe we should ask the people in the world trade center or the people who lost there heads or burned alive. I guess that some are already here. that's one reason I carry. As far as the president I think he should have some kind of leadership ability. I wouldn't follow this man to the bathroom much less to war. (again this is my opinion or am I not allowed that) As far a Collin Powel goes I wish he had of run for President. I think he would have made a better president that what we have now. What we have now could be replace with a help wanted sign. Again My personal opinion. I personally believe everyone should serve there country in some way. Kennedy said and I agree ask not what your country can do for but what you can do for your country. He was in my opinion a good President. Oh I like the way you looked up and posted what I had said in the past. Neat. The constitution was written so any one could understand and so was the amendments. what's been added I really don't think so. It appears I may have struck a nerve I assure you I mint no harm just voicing my opinion. Agree or disagree either is ok buy me. Have a good day.