Thread: A question on the constitution

I honestly think if you step back and look at this whole area of topics being discussed it comes down to a few root causes, number one being money. Money is now, and has been for quite some time, power. The wealthiest family in the world has a hold on more than half of the world's wealth. To me this is an outrageous statistic. That amount of power let's this one family control world markets, start and finish wars, and choose the outcomes. Think of the people being elected not only in America, but all free first world countries. These people are rarely common people standing up for what they believe in, and strictly doing what is right. They are almost always pawns to a bigger game. A game that 99% of us will never even play!

This is how General Pershing dealt with the muslim fanatics.

How General Pershing dealt with Islamic Terrorists

Originally Posted by feltspanky

This is how General Pershing dealt with the muslim fanatics.

How General Pershing dealt with Islamic Terrorists

Or may be not The Muslim Pig Burial Myth of General Pershing - Myths.Answers.com

Originally Posted by gugi

Not really - you can vote for candidates you pick yourself. You just have to convince them to run first and then convince enough of your fellow citizens to do the same and your candidate wins. You can run yourself too.
Do you need money and power to convince somebody? At which point you get what you want at a gun point, and why do you think it's better?

Frankly, when people have the option to vote and elect those who govern them in a peaceful manner, yet keep being unhappy with those they elect, how would killing each other will change anything? Sure the side that wins gets to pick the rulers, but are they going to make better choices, or agree among themselves when they had just killed a whole lot of people they disagree with?

At the end of the day you can't fix your own failures by killing other people.

Just because you have a gun doesn't mean you have to pull it and use it :<0) Funny how your mind automatically went there

Yes, there may be some who think targeting a few in the spotlight would silence the rest if not change the mindset about the whole situation. It doesn't take more than 1 killing to get the whole country focused. Sometimes no one has to get hurt at all. Approximately 2,000 armed citizens just told the Feds from their State Capitol, " No we won't comply " and no shots were fired.(the number varies from 1,000 to 4,000) The largest felony civil disobedience rally ever in the nation’s history. The police at the scene said it was probably the safest place on the planet at that time. No citation was given for not having a permit to assemble :<0)

This is the sort of thing I was referring too. Watch for more of this kind of protest. If and when it gets violent, will be up to people/ authorities actually involved at the scene. Pushing, shoving, and name calling is all anybody is ready for right now. No response from the Feds ? Good call ! Stay tuned.

And thanks for pointing out more details about this statement " Many believe the system is working and to some extent it is."

Yes I agree with you, the elections are bought and paid for.

As for Terrorists,,, WTHeck do you do ?
First, I want to know what we are shooting at ? Seems we may be wasting a lot of ammo.
Then, why are they driving around in and using old US stuff ? Seems like we are leaving too many toys behind.
Where is the good intell on this ? If I am supposed to control what my government does I want to know facts upon which to base my opinion. Not what is fed to me via public television. Not what I have to hunt down and decipher.

This may be a wild off road trip "for this thread" but I just read that The President told the DHS that radical right wing extremists are the biggest terror threat to America. So I guess this would be the Fed response to the other thing I mentioned ?
And what is the definition of that exactly ? McVeigh comes to mind but does he mean Snowden ?
Does this mean we are no longer worried about the other threats so much anymore ?

Originally Posted by 10Pups

Just because you have a gun doesn't mean you have to pull it and use it :<0) Funny how your mind automatically went there

There are two ways to resolve a problem - peacefully through discussion or at a gun point. And we have agreed that nobody has the right to threaten to kill somebody else because they disagree with them.
If you bring weapons to protest in order to strengthen your point that's not exactly following the framework of the constitution where political changes are enacted through the ballot box.
I have no idea what protest you are describing but it sounds like violation of the constitution - according to it disagreements need to be settled in court, not by simply non-compliance.

Edit: one more point

Originally Posted by 10Pups

Yes I agree with you, the elections are bought and paid for.

I think many people agree with this, but that makes no difference. The only difference is to stop selling them - basically for voters to stop being swayed by the most expensive political campaign, or in other words we have only ourselves to blame and can only change it by changing ourselves.