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I'm glad you got to this statistic before I did. Let's think about that for a minute - 8.....8....EIGHT. You're not going to get your face on the cover of "Modern Terrorist" with those numbers. ISIS beheads 8 people before their morning coffee and were supposed to equate the two? No more questions your honor.Quote:
Originally Posted by gssixgun
The next time I make an argument I'll try to spell it out in such comprehensive manner that it takes more than 24 hours to figure out a way to misinterpret it.
Have fun
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Originally Posted by gugi
Ummmmm no that is not actually true either,,, They (Daesh and Boko Harum) are actively selling slaves, I would think that alone would cause the world to react
Where is the outrage???? the outcry ???Heck I see more outrage at slavery that happened 150 years ago then what is happening today being seen and bragged about on social media...
It is simply an indefensible position to argue,, and there is only one solution... Sometimes when you get called out, you actually have to step up and talking isn't an option
I don't think you are getting it yet. Nobody here is defending slavery or terrorism, or genocide, so it is time that you stop saying that and accusing people of things that are only in your mind.
The problem is not whether it has to be stopped, but how can it be stopped. Your 'only one solution' has been failing despite putting everything you are willing to put.
Or are you saying that the american people are willing to support yet another war in Iraq and Syria like the ones in Afganistan and Iraq. We were there for ten years and then quit leaving the countries more fertile for terrorism than before. What will be different this time around?
Why is it always just the Americans???
Remember there is a 60 country coalition just ask Josh Earnest,,, Are you trying to say that 60 countries can't solve this issue ?
I find that rather hard to believe..
Albert Einstein had a definition of insanity, "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" That should about cover it.Quote:
Originally Posted by gugi
Bob
You are the one saying that US should do it all on its own, not me.Quote:
Originally Posted by gssixgun
I've been saying all along that this has to be solved politically through international cooperation because US does not have the resources (even if it's in terms of not willing to pay the price) to achieve the objectives it wants to achieve.
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Originally Posted by gugi
Nope not I
And it has been over a year since Daesh (the JV team) burst onto the world stage and rolled up the Iraqi army... So politics aren't working that well
Tons of talk some support and little action
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/c...ion-are-doing/
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Another thing that is becoming more and more clear is that even Muslim Forces that are willing to fight are not so keen on doing anything except to protect their own territories... Was listening to a Kurdish spokesman today drive home that point quite clearly, they have no real intention of hunting down any of these groups and killing them..
Actually the politics is working (for now, it may stop anytime), Iraq has a new government that is better than the previous one.
US has apparently given up on its 'regime change' policy on Syria and down the road negotiate a compromise with Russia (and may be Iran in the background).
Apparently when US refuses to do the job on its own other countries eventually start pitching in a meaningful way. But building real coalition from a window dressing to give some semblance of legitimacy to a US campaign takes time.
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I imagine you sitting at your keyboard shaking your head saying to yourself "Why doesn't he understand what I am saying here"
That is exactly what I am doing "Why doesn't he see that unless we hunt them down and kill them SOON more people are going to die horrible deaths"
Two different view points
But I am outta this now, I have made my points
The problem isn't 'killing them', we've killed them many times before and others come to take the place of the ones we killed.
You can't kill ideology or religious interpretation - I don't think it has ever happened in the history of the world.
The only way to destroy terrorism of any ideology is to make it unacceptable to the society and keep it suppressed with normal law enforcement means.
There was no such level of terrorism in Iraq and Syria under Saddam or Assad - you need moderately strong government. US toppled the governments that kept terrorism at bay in both of these places - it didn't even bother to complete the job in Syria and left Iraq with a weak government which was oppressive to a large compact minority. I don't think anybody understood how weak the Iraq government is and how much it is hated in the sunni areas until ISIS took over them, but I think it demonstrates rather well that just killing off bad guys and leaving doesn't really address the problem.
In honing language - you can take a worn and chipped ebay special to an escher and spend a lot of time, but you will never get it to shave properly until you solve the real problems with the appropriate tools.
Get back in there Rick Flair,,,,I mean Glenn,,, get back in there,,,,,,,
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAeSPPG-YdI
Let me just throw this in here to sort of kind of get this thread back on topic:
The disappeared: Chicago police detain Americans at abuse-laden 'black site' | US news | The Guardian
This doesn't just happen to foreigners. It's happening to Americans as well.
But hey, anything goes for the good cause eh :)
Btw, this reminds me of the Borat movie when he said 'We support your war of terror' :p
Stepping up....That's what a man does. These pople dont want to live in peace they want everyone to live like they do,and if you disagree with them they will kill you,simple as that. I myself don't think human beings are an endangered spices and the world would be better off without them,they most likley think the same of me,but I don't go looking for a fight,but I will if the cause is just. Also I don't want to impose my beliefs on anyone,they do,if it were in my power I would come down on them all like the hammer of God,and the world would be a better place for it. There are people who would call me a psycopath,they would be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by gssixgun
the world could use a good enema,and they are where the nozzle should be inserted.IMHO.
PS, if they want to live in the 11th century I say we oblige them,and your right,killing some of them wont solve the problem,killing all of them might....
killing some of them wont solve the problem, killing all of them might....
Your solution certainly has the benefit of finality going for it.
Worked in pre-WWII Germany, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Orville
That only works if the side trying to take territory can be convinced that you're good and they want to be like you.
Not really . . . was there a lot of immigration INTO Germany during that period? Nice try though . . .
And they bankrupted themselves serving their country. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by rhensley
Just so we are clear, at this time, keeping people locked up in Gitmo is, in fact, constitutional at this point because no court has said that it isn't. Likewise, locking up a ton of Japanese-American citizens without anything resembling due process was found to be constitutional by the SCOTUS after the fact. Not morally right, but constitutional. Carry on.
Funniest thing I have seen in quite some time,, You might have seen this already but it was the first time I read it today :p
Isn't it about time somebody turned ISIS into WASWAS :rofl2:
Now stop laughing and return to your debate..