Thread: M855 & SS109 ammo ban proposal !!

well if you like shooting either of these 2 rounds the BATF is excepting responses till March 15 !! They are trying to stop the production/sales of both rounds that have been in the exempt "armor piercing" list of bullets since 1986 ..

just giving a heads up to those that care and not trying to get a thread closed over comments , but again on the BATF site you can leave your feelings

Interesting as I don't think either of those two rounds have the penetrating power of the standard 7.62 Nato ball round which does not have the tungsten carbide penetrator tip. Is that round banned?

Bob

Hmmm... Wonder what motivated them to to try to add them to the ben now? Thanks for the head's up gooser!

They aren't even "armor piercing" rounds. It's just a bunch of liberals being scared of words, trying to force people out things based purely on their opinions. The rounds have increased penetration, due to a steel core, however armor piercing rounds contain depleted uranium, and they actually penetrate armor. I am a marine aviation ordnanceman who also reloads ammo. HAPIT ROUNDS ARE MY FAVORITE. They look like a Christmas tree with all the colors on them, stands for high explosive, armor piercing, incendiary, tracer. I shoot reloads so I don't care if they are banned or not as it won't directly affect me, but I do not like the idea that they are trying.

Originally Posted by prodigy

They aren't even "armor piercing" rounds.

Yes, I'd go along with that. As far as I know both the rounds were attempts to get the 5.56 ball round to penetrate as much as the old 7.62 Nato ball round that they have replaced for use in rifles. At 600 yards the 7.62 Nato ball round would blow through a fair thickness of mild steel and the old style 5.56 ball round ,without the inserts, would just stain the same target with grey lead from its core.

Bob

Originally Posted by JeffR

Hmmm... Wonder what motivated them to to try to add them to the ben now? Thanks for the head's up gooser!

there theory is with the new pistols now in rifle rounds criminal's are gonna use the roundin there handguns with devastating results (from what I have read}

Originally Posted by BobH

Yes, I'd go along with that. As far as I know both the rounds were attempts to get the 5.56 ball round to penetrate as much as the old 7.62 Nato ball round that they have replaced for use in rifles. At 600 yards the 7.62 Nato ball round would blow through a fair thickness of mild steel and the old style 5.56 ball round ,without the inserts, would just stain the same target with grey lead from its core.

Bob

that I think is a lot of ppls concern as they think that will be the next round of target ,I also think California is passing a bill against all rifle rounds ( I thought I read some place but not sure ) I think they already went after shoulder mounted handguns reversing there previous decision that they were ok to obtain ... by the ATF's description I believe the"armor piercing" category falls under from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium.” Because there are handguns capable of firing M855, it “may be used in a handgun.” It does not, however, have a core made of the metals listed in the law; rather, it has a traditional lead core with a steel tip, and therefore should never have been considered “armor piercing.” but has always been on the list and exempt as being a sporting round

Well, if they start banning rifle rounds it could get pretty restrictive. I mean we already had a "terrorist" attack in Ottawa where the perp used a good ole thuddy thuddy Winchester lever gun to kill a soldier at the National Cenotaph. If you need justification for banning rifle rounds, there it is in today's "I wanna feel safe" post 911 societal mentality. It may take awhile just nibbling away at it though.

Bob

First the ammo , then the reloading supplies , ..