Thread: Why?

Originally Posted by gratewhitehuntr

I say tie him between poles spread eagle and sell bottle rockets *with report* with straight pins attached to the ends for 20 for $2. Proceeds to be donated to the family of the victim.

I also advocate a free pack of 20 for a direct hit to the genitalia.


If this happened to my daughter you would see a news story about

" Local father who's daughter was molested charged with the murder of the aquitted defendant"

"Police say " It appears that the accused allegedly stalked the man to his home, abducted him, took him to an undisclosed location to torture him for several days. He then both decapitated the man and cut off his genitalia. After tying both body parts at opposite ends of a shoe string he threw them over the power lines in front of the court house until they became tangled in the lines and hung there like so many tennis shoes."

Footage at six !!

I'm with you

You gotta be careful about castrating people for stuff they didn't do, because one day it could be you somebody comes after for something you're not guilty of. Everybody deserves a second chance ... well, almost everybody.

X

Originally Posted by xman

...Everybody deserves a second chance ... well, almost everybody.

X

But it sems that the sex-offenders in particular have a high-incidence of repeat-offense. I don't know whether it's because the crime is so heinous and morally and socially repugnant (and so we as citizens are more AWARE of the repeat offense), but it seems that I'm always hearing of a repeat offender when it comes to sex crimes.

-whatever
-Lou

I also happen to be a big fan of crucifixion... ahhh... slow suffocation... but not in this case.

Cruel and unusual you say?

Well, we could cover the unusual part if we did it more.

As for cruel ...







What has two thumbs and doesn't care?????

ME



Did you hear about possible capital punishment for second conviction sex offenders in Texas? Children under 15 I think I heard.

Lawyers have an awesome responsibility to defend and preserve justice. In this case, they are beside the point. I'm just saying anyone who rapes a 12 year old (anyone for that matter, but especially a child) should never be released from prison. I'm torn on the death penalty...I support it wholeheartedly, but I know mistakes have, and most likely will continue to, happen. I do believe it's very rare, however. Molesters are a special case. They can't be rehabilitated, and should die, if sufficient proof exists of their guilt. In Louisiana, there are only 2 crimes for which you can be sentenced to death: First degree murder, and aggravated rape (raping someone under 12 or over 65). I've never heard of someone receiving the death penalty (in moder times, at least) for rape.

Thats the word, studies have shown that sex offenders are the least likely to be rehabilitated, and have a very high rate of recidivism (re-offending). That is why we publish their statistics online.

That being said, attorneys don't care if their client is guilty or innocent, that is not their job. Their job is to make sure that the rights of their clients are preserved, and that the system where we believe "it is more important for 10 men to go free than one innocent men go to ail" is preserved. Or at least that is what is supposed to happen.

Anyone touched my daughter, they would have some problems. HOWEVER, if there is anything the Duke incident and the much older but no less important Tawana Brawley incident taught us, is that we need to be careful jumping the gun folks - as has been said, we did not hear the evidence and do not know what facts were elicited - might surprise you.

K

Joe - I hear you. That this guy is still on the street after being convicted 16 year ago... I don't know about US law and sentence lengths, and I know little about Australia's either. But here there seems to be disproportionate sentence lengths for sexual offenses, even involving minors. It's not unusual that peadophiles get 2 - 3 years here. I don't know why...

James.

FWIW I'll insert my 2 centavos into this discussion:

(1) I had a good friend in the late 1970s to early 1980s who was an assistant prosecuting attorney. He once told me the easiest cases to get convictions on were those involving rape. This was prior to DNA evidence, and cases were pretty much built on she-said and he-said. An alleged victim would have to give totally whacko and contradictory testimony for my friend to lose the case. He felt he had sent several innocent men to prison during the course of his career for a rape the men never did . Of course, he had no way of knowing -- in those days it was just one person's word against another.

(2) Like Kriton, my understanding is that violent sexual predators do have a high recidivism rate. My work has put me into contact with a few. I claim no expertise on the matter, but in my meager experience, going 16 years without another conviction is a looooong time.

Why is he out? I haven't a clue. And there are more roaming about than I want to think about...

Originally Posted by jaegerhund

--what's that saying via Shakespeare "the first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers" ---

You say you haven't been the same since you had your little crash
But you might feel better if i gave you some cash
The more I think about it, old Billy was right
Let's kill all the lawyers, kill 'em tonight
You don't want to work, you want to live like a king
But the big bad world doesn't owe you a thing

First thing I thought. Not very cultured, am I?
Seriously though, I feel (1) lawyers, especially defense, play and exceptionally important role in defending justice and freedom, (2) I could never, ever, ever be a defense attorney, and (3) any criminal case in California involving a celebrity is little more than a farce.

Originally Posted by Bruno

Slightly off topic because the case is different for the accused in this case, but I don't understand statutory rape. I know the law and the implications, but do people in the US really think that an 18 year old should be marked as a sex offender for the rest of his life if he had sex with his 17 years, 11 months and 2y days old girlfriend?
In Belgium this is based on age difference. (max 2 years difference if either party is under 18 I think)

I don't. Some places in the states do have the 2yr age diff rule if one party is under 18, can't say where, never needed to know.

Originally Posted by gratewhitehuntr

Did you hear about possible capital punishment for second conviction sex offenders in Texas? Children under 15 I think I heard.

Heard about that, I am all for it if the guilt is certain, but that becomes extremely difficult to prove w/ certainty in many cases. Juries often have difficulty upholding the judgment of "guilty beyond any reasonable doubt" in cases where so much emotion is involved. The entire basis of how out criminal judicial system is supposed to work is that the scales are slanted in the defendant’s favor. It is better that several guilty go free than one innocent be held falsely.

My Pennies,

Michael