Thread: Obamacare

Remember Death Panels? I miss the whole Death Panel thing.


Good times.

ya Insurance has and will always suck

Originally Posted by Jimbo

If you want to blame anyone for what doing this kind of thing costs, why not blame the companies that set and/or drive up the prices?

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Jimbo this came up someplace the other day I found it an interesting read about the $$$$ aspect of US medicine

Why Is Insulin So Expensive In The U.S.? : Shots - Health News : NPR

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

You stumbled onto the wrong thread. If all these guys had their way Social Security would never exist. Just another commie social program. Encourages old farts to be on the dole which is what it really is. Also don't get them started on medicare. it's just nanny state over reaching government.

On the dole?I paid $205K into SS over 55 yrs,I deserve what I draw Every month,had the feds invested it properly,I would get even more.
Medicare is great,I pay $120/mo,now for plan A and B plus a bluesheild suppliment.
Two yrs ago I was paying $1400/mo. for blueshield alone.
Several Mos ago my wife spent 10 hrs in the E.R,The final Hosp. tab was $28K,Medicare paid it all.Good stuff IMO

Originally Posted by pixelfixed

On the dole?I paid $205K into SS over 55 yrs,I deserve what I draw Every month,had the feds invested it properly,I would get even more.
Medicare is great,I pay $120/mo,now for plan A and B plus a bluesheild suppliment.
Two yrs ago I was paying $1400/mo. for blueshield alone.
Several Mos ago my wife spent 10 hrs in the E.R,The final Hosp. tab was $28K,Medicare paid it all.Good stuff IMO

I wouldn't get too worked up, I think Spender was being just a little tongue in cheek. I'd have to agree that a government pension plan that you paid into all your working life and are now receiving benefit from is not even close to being on the dole. You paid for it.

I knew private health insurance in the US was expensive but did not realize how expensive. What you were paying for Blueshield would be more than The federal and provincial taxes payable on a $65,000 yearly gross income in Ontario with health care already included iCalculator | Ontario Salary example for $65,000.00 . Being retired I am drawing my government pension and company pension but still not paying for healthcare.

Bob

BobH- thank you for bringing in that example. I'll say it again: the US pays almost twice as much per person in health care costs than the other industrialized nations yet we have worse health outcomes.

So we're paying much more for much less. This has been true for decades, BTW- its not anything to do with Obamacare. And we want to keep the US's unique employer based insurance system why? I don't know if the ACA is the answer or not, but something had to be done.

Originally Posted by Andy77

BobH- thank you for bringing in that example. I'll say it again: the US pays almost twice as much per person in health care costs than the other industrialized nations yet have worse health outcomes.

So we're paying much more for much less. And we want to keep the current system why? I don't know if the ACA is the answer or not- but something had to be done.

The U.S Has the worst heahtcare Outcomes?? were are you getting that info?

Originally Posted by pixelfixed

The U.S Has the worst heahtcare Outcomes?? were are you getting that info?

Will this do U.S. Healthcare Ranked Dead Last Compared To 10 Other Countries - Forbes ?

Bob

Thank you Bob. It's a bit counterintuitive: if we pay more, we should get the best, right? Wrong. When politicians say things like "We have the best healthcare sytem in the world" they are talking about our top teaching hospitals and cutting edge surgical procedures. That claim isn't true about actual healthcare for the average person.

So if you need a heart/lung transplant or some other cutting edge procedure, come to a US hospital. But if you're an normal person trying to live a healthy life, you're better off somewhere else. And we want to keep our current system why?

Originally Posted by Andy77

Thank you Bob. It's a bit counterintuitive, right? The US is the best at everything in the world, right? When politicians say things like "We have the best healthcare sytem in the world" they can get away with that by saying they're talking about the quality of our teaching institutions and cutting edge surgical procedures. That claim can't reasonably be made about care for the average person.

So if you need a heart/lung transplant or some other cutting edge procedure, come to a US hospital. But if you're an average person trying to live a healthy life, you're better off somewhere else. And we want to keep our current system why?

It is not counter intuitive to me because I do not live in the US. I don't have the luxury of self absorbed navel gazing but look around and see what the rest of the world is up to. All I can say from looking around is that the system of healthcare I live under is not bad but could definitely be improved. I certainly would not try and convince anyone it was the best in the world, obviously it is not. Oth they do heart/lung transplants and other cutting edge procedures here also and I imagine in the rest of the world too. I mean the world pioneer in human heart transplants was a South African Doctor Christiaan Barnard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .

Bob