Thread: Obamacare

We do pay a lot of taxes. Too much. However, everything that gets towards social security and healthcare is taken separately from other taxes. I know how much that is for my family. That part is managed quite well, much cheaper in total than the US equivalents, and gives us a good healthcare system that is also affordable and also fosters a lot of medical R&D in the university hospitals.

The rest of the taxes... yeah. Due to the unique structure and history of Belgian, we have an enormous amount of overhead to govern an area and the people that would only take a mayor in the US.

What I'd like to know is when did people actually start believing that of all things, for profit insurance companies had their best interests in mind?

John

I paid 12 K /yr for bluecross,never had a claim,being self employed it was all tax deductable thank god.
Bluecross made alot of money off me.

Originally Posted by pixelfixed

I paid 12 K /yr for bluecross,never had a claim,being self employed it was all tax deductable thank god.
Bluecross made alot of money off me.

Seems a little under what you said in post #54, "Two yrs ago I was paying $1400/mo. for blueshield alone." . That would be $16,800 not 12K.

Bob

Originally Posted by BobH

Seems a little under what you said in post #54, "Two yrs ago I was paying $1400/mo. for blueshield alone." . That would be $16,800 not 12K.

Bob

Since your such a stickler for details Mr Bob.it was $1200 per month,Thats $14,400/ Yr,Happy now

Originally Posted by pixelfixed

Since your such a stickler for details Mr Bob.it was $1200 per month,Thats $14,400/ Yr,Happy now

I assume that covered your entire family for everything, including dentistry, for a near zero co-pay?

Originally Posted by Bruno

I assume that covered your entire family for everything, including dentistry, for a near zero co-pay?

No Dentistry,that had to be paid out of pocket,no vision care,$200 co pay for anything. covered my wife and I only.
One other thing,In my state the only options for the self employed Is,Blue cross,Blue shield or Kaiser.
All the other insurance companys in the U.S are not allowed to write policys In Kali.

Originally Posted by kerryman71

What I'd like to know is when did people actually start believing that of all things, for profit insurance companies had their best interests in mind?

John

I'll take competition between private companies over the strong arm of the incapable government. Of course they don't have our best interests in mind, what company has a business plan that doesn't maximize profits? Now we are forced against our will. Meanwhile those that need this "insurance" the most are the overweight, fast food eating, cigarette smoking, soda drinking, lazy people who would think having to walk from the back of a parking lot to Wal mart counts as exercise.

Originally Posted by prodigy

I'll take competition between private companies over the strong arm of the incapable government. Of course they don't have our best interests in mind, what company has a business plan that doesn't maximize profits? Now we are forced against our will. Meanwhile those that need this "insurance" the most are the overweight, fast food eating, cigarette smoking, soda drinking, lazy people who would think having to walk from the back of a parking lot to Wal mart counts as exercise.

We can theorize all we want, but the fact is that we have a good healthcare system that is very affordable to everyone, and you don't.
Insurance companies want to gouge you as much as possible. Their shareholder profit has to be tacked on to the actual cost of health care.
And since everyone needs healthcare, opting out doesn't save you anything because sooner or later you have to take insurance, and then you'll just have to pay more.

Originally Posted by prodigy

I'll take competition between private companies over the strong arm of the incapable government. Of course they don't have our best interests in mind, what company has a business plan that doesn't maximize profits? Now we are forced against our will. Meanwhile those that need this "insurance" the most are the overweight, fast food eating, cigarette smoking, soda drinking, lazy people who would think having to walk from the back of a parking lot to Wal mart counts as exercise.

really now? That's what many would have you believe.

The fact is sooner than later you will find yourself in a situation where you wind up with a medical bill well into 6 figures. I don't care if you're the fittest healthiest person in the world. That's what happens and it's also why the number one reason in this country for bankruptcy is medical expenses.

Not everyone is in a work situation where they receive health insurance and loads of folks who have it will find out some day the plan they have isn't worth two cents. That's why many couldn't keep their plan when Obamacare started.

I personally think that if you want Obamacare abolished that's fine with me as long as you enact a law saying before any MD or Hospital sees you for any reason you pay up front cash on the barrelhead or you can go and die or suffer. Many resent paying for those who refuse to get insurance. Conservates hate anyone getting benefits on the dole yet they seem to have no problem with folks getting free healthcare on the dole just instead of the Govt paying for it the citizens do through local taxes and higher medical expenses on them.