Thread: Check out this Pig

Originally Posted by jaegerhund

Thanks for info Greg ---- as far as my signature goes, well ol' John did a pretty good job of capturing the feel of Louisiana in that song --- not bad for a California boy ---and I'm always ready to roll with some cajun queen .

Justin

p.s. here's a cajun queen -- grew up about an hour from where I live.

Hey Justin,

They are the type of cajun queen I'm interested for sure very nice.........

Cheers
John

Originally Posted by Greg Frazer

Bugger Me !!

I wonder if she'd like to see my pig photos

I am sure that's what Mr Foggerty had in mind.

Greg Frazer

Yeah -- I don't want to get too offtopic here (but she does beat the pig) --- that's the fairly famous Ali Laundry --I would say her beauty is fairly common around here --something about the mixing of french, spanish, german, etc produces some beauties --- but better yet very loving women ---- people around the country (and world) have commented on this to me so I guess it is true.

Justin

Oh and John and Greg --- they can break your heart for sure (I know , I'm a big softy)

Sorry to be late guys.
Been busy.

Points here.

1) First thing I picked up on is the length vs height of the boy.
If the pig is 9 feet long then the boy would have to be like 6'5" tall for the pic to work.

2) I don't recognize the revolver but if it were a 50 cal, if, I doubt a 11 year old could fire it without looking at the ground and peeing a little.
I have fired a 500 Smith and the best words I can use to describe the recoil is EXCESSIVE and ABUSIVE. I can JUST BARELY control the urge to flinch and I shoot A LOT.
It feels something like a pro baseball player taking a swing at the end of the barrel while you hang the on cause you don't want to drop your friends new gun!

3) Shot him 8 times.
I only see one hole in piggy and unless that was the back end of a quartering shot, then it wasn't a very good one.
I say only see one because unless they were gut shots (would still be yellow fluid) they would bleed and be obvious.
Wounds inflicted while the heart is pumping will bleed, even more so when the animal is excited. ie. running away.

4) This one is just based on my personal experience.
There is a pig near here that we have lost several dogs to.
He goes between 400 and 500 and will turn and wait for a dog.
I have a feeling he turns because he is too damn fat to run more than a few hundred yards.
I find it hard to believe that a pig this big could run for 3 hours.


Of course it might walk for three hours cause some assnugget gave his whiny kid a weapon that he couldn't shoot and he made a bad shot and it took the dumbasses 3 hours to track him 600 yards to where he laid down to stiffen up and die.

I propose this theory based on the fact
1) that the pig was very recently in the mud.
2) I have trouble with a 500
3) Eight wounds would equal more blood streaks to indicate locations
4) Marathon runner pig??
5) Freaky tall 11 year old???

CONCLUSION ?? BOGUS !!

As far as how long the animal suffered.
LOU ASKED FOR IT
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I think in our comfortable homes eating our prepackaged ground round we have forgotten where we came from.

Only recently has the concept of our duty to prevent an animals suffering become prevelant.

For most of our history the main objective was to feed ourselves and our families by whatever means available.

I share this view.
Rather than personify whatever prey is in front of me I instead view it as what is in fact is, a potential meal.

I trapped for about 10 years and for me to leave a critter with it's foot caught till I came back to get it the next day isn't exactly a "clean kill".
When I did return I used a club to dispatch said critter as a hole in a pelt subtracts $5 from your value.
I will admit that it took me about 20 animals to perfect my "swing".

I have also used snares with excellent results on rabbit, ducks, geese, and various other species. I would not venture to call these humane by any means.
Consider the fact that the snare has no power to strangle but that which is provided by the struggling animal.

Let's look at this from another angle.
Glue traps for mice are a pretty hot ticket aren't they??

Do you think a pig is more noble than a mouse??

More deserving of a swift painless death?

We should be ashamed not for causing suffering to an animal, but for having become so sissified as to feel guilt over the issue.
How damn clean do you need your death to be anyway??

Ever eat veal??
http://www.britishmeat.com/veal.html
Foie Gras ?
http://www.farmsanctuary.org/newsletter/foiegras.htm
If you have then you should come forward and admit your guilt.



SISSY

I'm going to put my hands up here and admit to avoiding the issue of foie gras. Mainly because it tastes like heaven when pan seared in butter. I've always had a nagging doubt in my mind, heard the stories, but was too selfish to check it out properly. I guess that's something I'm giving up now.

My own ethnic background means I share a similar philosophy to GW. If you eat meat (and I'm including fish and seafood here), then you need to be aware of the fact that your own sustenance derives from another animal's death and, unavoidably in many circumstances, a level of pain, discomfort or suffering.

I have no problem with that. I eat meat, I enjoy all sorts of cuisine, and I'm not squeamish with what I eat. The Chinese eat most of the animal. The look on my mates faces when I eat chicken feet (in chilli and black bean sauce of course!), or the fish head (it is an honour to be given the fish head to eat in Chinese culture), or fresh crab (where the crab is still alive and one kills it not through boiling but by sticking a chopstick in the joint between its back leg and body, in a direct line thorugh the brain and then out the mouth - a very quick death actually - and then dismembering the crab while its nervous system makes it thrash around and twitch for minutes).... my friends look at me with horror. When I invite them to come to mine to eat Chinese crab they almost all start drooling and accept the invite quickly. They don't understand when I say it's on condition they watch me prepare the dish from start to finish. They are horrified by what they see, but you know what.... once it's served up steaming on the dining table they just tuck right in and start smacking their lips.

I think the only hesitation I have over some hunting activity is when it is not within the spirit of sustenance or food. When it's just to say "I killed a xxx [insert own exotic animal name here]".

Otherwise, it's fair game (pun intended).

With vacuum sealed and packaged portions of meat and fish in our supermarkets, we've become ignorant of the realities of being omnivores.

Majurey, GW,
I couldn't have said it better myself!!

Originally Posted by majurey

I think the only hesitation I have over some hunting activity is when it is not within the spirit of sustenance or food. When it's just to say "I killed a xxx [insert own exotic animal name here]".

I have no problem with trophy hunting as long as the hunting is done by a hunter who has done his time ---maybe starting in childhood --working his way from small game up the ladder to bigger more exotic game --- and as long as a conservation ethic is followed. No matter how exotic the animal is he has a limited time on earth --- he will die from predation or starving and believe me a well place bullet or arrow is the best way to go ---so what''s better an amimal that dies from starvation/predation and rotts away to never existing or an animal that is responsibly killed, maybe "harvested" and proudly mounted and displayed and not forgotten in the near future.

You want to see suffering , watch an animal die of starvation over a month's time or so or maybe be slowy picked apart by a pack of coyotes over a couple days time --- I've seen such footage. Even the sickest most depraved human has a hard time competing with the likes of mother nature when it comes to cruelty.

Yep --- it's a tough world for the beasties --- a human with an arrow or bullet is a step up in kindness. Throw away the emotions and get to the real --- it ain't pretty nohow.


Justin

Originally Posted by jaegerhund

I have no problem with trophy hunting as long as the hunting is done by a hunter who has done his time ---maybe starting in childhood --working his way from small game up the ladder to bigger more exotic game --- and as long as a conservation ethic is followed. No matter how exotic the animal is he has a limited time on earth --- he will die from predation or starving and believe me a well place bullet or arrow is the best way to go ---so what''s better an amimal that dies from starvation/predation and rotts away to never existing or an animal that is responsibly killed, maybe "harvested" and proudly mounted and displayed and not forgotten in the near future.

You want to see suffering , watch an animal die of starvation over a month's time or so or maybe be slowy picked apart by a pack of coyotes over a couple days time --- I've seen such footage. Even the sickest most depraved human has a hard time competing with the likes of mother nature when it comes to cruelty.

Yep --- it's a tough world for the beasties --- a human with an arrow or bullet is a step up in kindness. Throw away the emotions and get to the real --- it ain't pretty nohow.


Justin

Once again, Justin....well said. I think respect for the prey and a minimization of the suffering is just another thing that separates us from the animals we harvest (hell, that's just a nice word for kill!).

-whatever

-Lou


8 shots over 3 hours is STILL unacceptable!

Originally Posted by scarface

Once again, Justin....well said. I think respect for the prey and a minimization of the suffering is just another thing that separates us from the animals we harvest (hell, that's just a nice word for kill!).

-whatever

-Lou


8 shots over 3 hours is STILL unacceptable!

Yep very true --- your most professional hunters would be ashamed of such poor skills. You owe it to your ego and the animal to put him down clean --- you might as well be a human if you can.

I haven't hunted in a while but I still see it as noble and natural --- the bonds that you create with your buds and nature is like nothing else. I have never felt more like a man than after coming home from hunting --- even if nothing was killed --it can put everything into perspective for sure.

Now, I just want to learn how to flyfish and find some small shifty trout in small streams and take them on light tackle ---- no streams or trout around here but I imagine it to be fun.

Justin

In my book there are three aceptable reasons for killing any creature:
1)survival (food & shelter)
2)self defense or in the defense of someone else
3)mercy
and when done for any of these three reasons it should be done as quickly and efficiently as possible.
Hunting is fine with me but when I was a boy my step father took me rabbit hunting. I loved every minute of it. We must have got 4 or 5 rabbits that day! As we were leaving my step father left the rabbits on the ground. I asked why we weren't taking the rabbits along. He just said they aren't good for anything.
the whole attitude sickened me.

Originally Posted by JMS

In my book there are three aceptable reasons for killing any creature:
1)survival (food & shelter)
2)self defense or in the defense of someone else
3)mercy
and when done for any of these three reasons it should be done as quickly and efficiently as possible.

addition: (From my book)

4) overpopulation --- may fit under mercy (inevitable starvation)