Hi,
This story ran on our news service last night. It sure is big.............
Cheers
John
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Hi,
This story ran on our news service last night. It sure is big.............
Cheers
John
They grow things pretty big in australia heh?Quote:
Originally Posted by johnmw1
Sorry I should have run the story with it, as it is a local story for you guys..........
An 11-year-old boy used a pistol to kill a wild hog his father says weighed 476 kilograms and measured 2.74 metres, from the tip of its snout to the base of its tail.
Think hams as big as car tyres.
If the claims are accurate, Jamison Stone's trophy boar would be bigger than Hogzilla, the famed wild hog that grew to seemingly mythical proportions after being killed in south Georgia in 2004.
Hogzilla originally was thought to weigh 453.6 kilograms and measure 3.6 metres long. National Geographic experts who unearthed its remains believe the animal actually weighed about 362.8 kilograms and was 2.4 metres long.
Regardless of the comparison, Jamison is revelling in the attention over his pig.
"It feels really good," Jamison said. "It's a good accomplishment. I probably won't ever kill anything else that big."
Jamison, who killed his first deer at age five, was hunting with father Mike Stone and two guides in east Alabama on May 3. He said he shot the huge animal eight times with a .50-calibre revolver and chased it for three hours through hilly woods before finishing it off with a point-blank shot.
Through it all, there was the fear that the animal would turn and charge them, as wild boars have a reputation for doing.
"I was a little bit scared, a little bit excited," said Jamison.
His father said that, just to be extra safe, he and the guides had high-powered rifles aimed and ready to fire in case the beast, with 12-centimetre tusks, decided to charge.
Trees had to be cut down and a backhoe brought in to bring Jamison's prize out of the woods.
It was hauled on a truck to the Clay County Farmers Exchange, where Jeff Kinder said they used his scale, recently calibrated, to weigh the hog.
Mike Stone said the scale balanced one notch past the 476 kilogram mark.
"It probably weighed 1060 pounds. We were just afraid to change it once the story was out," he said.
The hog's head is being mounted by Jerry Cunningham of Jerry's Taxidermy. Cunningham said the animal measured 137.16 centimetres around the head, 187.9 centimetres around the shoulders and 27.9 centimetres from the eyes to the end of its snout.
"It's huge," he said. "It's just the biggest thing I've ever seen."
Mike Stone is having sausage made from the rest of the animal. "We'll probably get 500 to 700 pounds (317.5 kilograms)," he said.
Jamison, meanwhile, has been offered a small part in The Legend of Hogzilla, a small-time horror flick based on the tale of the Georgia boar. The movie is holding casting calls with plans to begin filming in Georgia.
That's a lot of sausage.
-whatever
-Lou
Ya'know....I've got NOTHING against hunting....heck, I live in north Idaho and everything pretty much shuts down for 2 ro 3 weeks in the fall during elk season -we got deer, bear, turkeys and all sorts of birds and waterfowl....I like hunting and hunters. Hell, one of my best friends is an enforcement officer for the Fish and Game.
So, I re-read that article, and see that an 11-year old boy shot super-pig here 8 times over 3 hours with a pistol (a big-ass pistol, mind you.....50 caliber...never seen one of THOSE) while the adults with the high-powered rifles watched to make sure super-pig didn't get pissed off and turn on dead-eyed Hop-a-long Cassidy...so this pig suffers for 3-hours so junior can say he killed it with a pistol....that gives me a little heartburn....
...call me an old softie....
...G-dub....care to pipe in here?
-whatever
-Lou
Lou, most responsible hunters want to take out an animule efficiently and quickly --- correct placement of shot with the correct equipment and down she goes.
There's something fishy about this story ----hard for me to believe. Is this suppose to be a hog that went feral? For now I say it's not true.
Justin
Justin,
There appears to be a web site dedicated to this now, seems like they are a cashing in while they can.
http://www.monsterpig.com/
Cheers
John
PS should read the negative emails page this young dude is really getting a good telling off.
http://www.monsterpig.com/negative_comments.htm
There's definitely something fishy about this story. My sources tell me that it's actually a drop bear in a pig-suit. The govt. didn't want to start an Australia wide panic, so they disguised the drop-bear and got ASIO agents to pose as hunters.
I'm looking further into this - if you don't hear back from me in 24 hours, tell my wife I love her. Lou, you can have my Friodur. Justin, the Bergischer Lowe.
James.
Yeh -- well the people writing the negative emails are as full of crap and lunny as the story possibly is.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnmw1
James --thanks for the razor---- if things don't go well I shall call it my lil' Jimbo.
Jusitn
...and I shall call mine 'Mon Cherie'...
-whatever
-Lou
:roflmao :roflmao :roflmao :tuQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimbo
-whatever
-Lou
Huh???
Enormous huge pigs?
11-year old boys with .50caliber handguns?? :gth
Three hour chases of wild animals through australian wilderness??? :thinking:
Grown-up adults with even bigger guns for back-up, in case this hogzilla turns hostile for having been shot at with the small gun???? :eek:
This poor boy will have to eat sausage for the rest of his life?!?!
But I guess in a place where monsters like that walk around .50caliber handguns are the least every kid should carry on the way to elementary school?
James is more than 3/4 correct... I'm afraid there is a rat in our woodpile.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimbo
Every kid growing up in rural Australia has gone pig shooting at one time or another, and just like fisherman, they can't help tweaking the size of the pigs they've (we've) shot when re-telling the stories.
This is an old trick... you photograph the pig at ground level (knealing, sitting) and have the shooter kneal behind it (like that photo) but 10-15ft away from it. The further away the shooter is the bigger the pig looks.
If you look at the photo you can see that the kid has his elbows resting on one knee... if you look at you own leg from knee to foot you can see how big the pig is.
Aside from the gross exaggeration it's a nice pig and a good trophy for a young fella.
8 shots in three hours makes the crack of my bum itch though... that's cruel and unusual by anyones definition. It's true that you can kill these things with a .22 if you like, but it's better to use enough gun to ensure a humane kill with one shot.
Personally I used a 30-30 winchester for pig shooting and on most occasions they fell with one well placed shot. On two or three occasions a second shot was necessary and that's regrettable. Feral pig or not it's still a living creature and deserving of some respect
Greg Frazer
3 hours to me is unacceptable. If you can't make the fisrt shot leathal, you shouldn't take it.
Of coarse I'm a bit biased as I only hunt with single shot handguns or a muzzleloader rifle :p
Works with fish too ---well, works with anything actually ---very perceptive on the the kids leg length there Greg,Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg Frazer
I don't think a pig that size would have any advantage in the wild ---he would probably be slow and easy prey to all them dingos and such ---- do you have enough food stuff in the bush to support a creature that big anyway?
Justin
Mate... you're way too kind. I know the trick because I've done it myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaegerhund
Good to show the photos to girls... Ooooh what a big pig, you must be the bravest in your tribe :bow ... Response, "Yes I am, would you like to have sex now?":nj
Pigs do get a good size... 150-200kg and you're right, they get harder to feed then. It's not unusual to come accross large pigs that have simply died due to starvation.
They tend to use their snout to root up crops and love to eat grains and cerials, which is why farmers want them dead... you generally don't have too much trouble getting shooting permission from landowners if its pigs you're after.
One an off topic note Justin... love your signiature... I downloaded a video clip of John Foggerty singing Born on a Bayou with just him and a base guitar player in what looked like a small club or theatre... brilliant stuff
Greg Frazer
Thanks for info Greg ---- as far as my signature goes, well ol' John did a pretty good job of capturing the feel of Louisiana in that song --- not bad for a California boy ---and I'm always ready to roll with some cajun queen ;).Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg Frazer
Justin
p.s. here's a cajun queen -- grew up about an hour from where I live.
I'm thinking photoshoped.
-Michael
Anything is possible with photoshop ---Quote:
Originally Posted by ohlookaneagle
Justin
Bugger Me !!Quote:
Originally Posted by jaegerhund
I wonder if she'd like to see my pig photos
I am sure that's what Mr Foggerty had in mind.
Greg Frazer
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaegerhund
Hey Justin,
They are the type of cajun queen I'm interested for sure :D very nice.........
Cheers
John
Yeah -- I don't want to get too offtopic here (but she does beat the pig) --- that's the fairly famous Ali Laundry --I would say her beauty is fairly common around here --something about the mixing of french, spanish, german, etc produces some beauties --- but better yet very loving women ---- people around the country (and world) have commented on this to me so I guess it is true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg Frazer
Justin
Oh and John and Greg --- they can break your heart for sure (I know , I'm a big softy)
Sorry to be late guys.
Been busy.
Points here.
1) First thing I picked up on is the length vs height of the boy.
If the pig is 9 feet long then the boy would have to be like 6'5" tall for the pic to work.
2) I don't recognize the revolver but if it were a 50 cal, if, I doubt a 11 year old could fire it without looking at the ground and peeing a little.
I have fired a 500 Smith and the best words I can use to describe the recoil is EXCESSIVE and ABUSIVE. I can JUST BARELY control the urge to flinch and I shoot A LOT.
It feels something like a pro baseball player taking a swing at the end of the barrel while you hang the :cen on cause you don't want to drop your friends new gun!
3) Shot him 8 times.
I only see one hole in piggy and unless that was the back end of a quartering shot, then it wasn't a very good one.
I say only see one because unless they were gut shots (would still be yellow fluid) they would bleed and be obvious.
Wounds inflicted while the heart is pumping will bleed, even more so when the animal is excited. ie. running away.
4) This one is just based on my personal experience.
There is a pig near here that we have lost several dogs to.
He goes between 400 and 500 and will turn and wait for a dog.
I have a feeling he turns because he is too damn fat to run more than a few hundred yards.
I find it hard to believe that a pig this big could run for 3 hours.
Of course it might walk for three hours cause some assnugget gave his whiny kid a weapon that he couldn't shoot and he made a bad shot and it took the dumbasses 3 hours to track him 600 yards to where he laid down to stiffen up and die.
I propose this theory based on the fact
1) that the pig was very recently in the mud.
2) I have trouble with a 500
3) Eight wounds would equal more blood streaks to indicate locations
4) Marathon runner pig??
5) Freaky tall 11 year old???
CONCLUSION ?? BOGUS !!
As far as how long the animal suffered.
LOU ASKED FOR IT
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I think in our comfortable homes eating our prepackaged ground round we have forgotten where we came from.
Only recently has the concept of our duty to prevent an animals suffering become prevelant.
For most of our history the main objective was to feed ourselves and our families by whatever means available.
I share this view.
Rather than personify whatever prey is in front of me I instead view it as what is in fact is, a potential meal.
I trapped for about 10 years and for me to leave a critter with it's foot caught till I came back to get it the next day isn't exactly a "clean kill".
When I did return I used a club to dispatch said critter as a hole in a pelt subtracts $5 from your value.
I will admit that it took me about 20 animals to perfect my "swing".
I have also used snares with excellent results on rabbit, ducks, geese, and various other species. I would not venture to call these humane by any means.
Consider the fact that the snare has no power to strangle but that which is provided by the struggling animal.
Let's look at this from another angle.
Glue traps for mice are a pretty hot ticket aren't they??
Do you think a pig is more noble than a mouse??
More deserving of a swift painless death?
We should be ashamed not for causing suffering to an animal, but for having become so sissified as to feel guilt over the issue.
How damn clean do you need your death to be anyway??
Ever eat veal??
http://www.britishmeat.com/veal.html
Foie Gras ?
http://www.farmsanctuary.org/newsletter/foiegras.htm
If you have then you should come forward and admit your guilt.
SISSY
I'm going to put my hands up here and admit to avoiding the issue of foie gras. Mainly because it tastes like heaven when pan seared in butter. I've always had a nagging doubt in my mind, heard the stories, but was too selfish to check it out properly. I guess that's something I'm giving up now.
My own ethnic background means I share a similar philosophy to GW. If you eat meat (and I'm including fish and seafood here), then you need to be aware of the fact that your own sustenance derives from another animal's death and, unavoidably in many circumstances, a level of pain, discomfort or suffering.
I have no problem with that. I eat meat, I enjoy all sorts of cuisine, and I'm not squeamish with what I eat. The Chinese eat most of the animal. The look on my mates faces when I eat chicken feet (in chilli and black bean sauce of course!), or the fish head (it is an honour to be given the fish head to eat in Chinese culture), or fresh crab (where the crab is still alive and one kills it not through boiling but by sticking a chopstick in the joint between its back leg and body, in a direct line thorugh the brain and then out the mouth - a very quick death actually - and then dismembering the crab while its nervous system makes it thrash around and twitch for minutes).... my friends look at me with horror. When I invite them to come to mine to eat Chinese crab they almost all start drooling and accept the invite quickly. They don't understand when I say it's on condition they watch me prepare the dish from start to finish. They are horrified by what they see, but you know what.... once it's served up steaming on the dining table they just tuck right in and start smacking their lips.
I think the only hesitation I have over some hunting activity is when it is not within the spirit of sustenance or food. When it's just to say "I killed a xxx [insert own exotic animal name here]".
Otherwise, it's fair game (pun intended).
With vacuum sealed and packaged portions of meat and fish in our supermarkets, we've become ignorant of the realities of being omnivores.
Majurey, GW,
I couldn't have said it better myself!!
I have no problem with trophy hunting as long as the hunting is done by a hunter who has done his time ---maybe starting in childhood --working his way from small game up the ladder to bigger more exotic game --- and as long as a conservation ethic is followed. No matter how exotic the animal is he has a limited time on earth --- he will die from predation or starving and believe me a well place bullet or arrow is the best way to go ---so what''s better an amimal that dies from starvation/predation and rotts away to never existing or an animal that is responsibly killed, maybe "harvested" and proudly mounted and displayed and not forgotten in the near future.Quote:
Originally Posted by majurey
You want to see suffering , watch an animal die of starvation over a month's time or so or maybe be slowy picked apart by a pack of coyotes over a couple days time --- I've seen such footage. Even the sickest most depraved human has a hard time competing with the likes of mother nature when it comes to cruelty.
Yep --- it's a tough world for the beasties --- a human with an arrow or bullet is a step up in kindness. Throw away the emotions and get to the real --- it ain't pretty nohow.
Justin
Once again, Justin....well said. I think respect for the prey and a minimization of the suffering is just another thing that separates us from the animals we harvest (hell, that's just a nice word for kill!).Quote:
Originally Posted by jaegerhund
-whatever
-Lou
8 shots over 3 hours is STILL unacceptable!
Yep very true --- your most professional hunters would be ashamed of such poor skills. You owe it to your ego and the animal to put him down clean --- you might as well be a human if you can.Quote:
Originally Posted by scarface
I haven't hunted in a while but I still see it as noble and natural --- the bonds that you create with your buds and nature is like nothing else. I have never felt more like a man than after coming home from hunting --- even if nothing was killed --it can put everything into perspective for sure.
Now, I just want to learn how to flyfish and find some small shifty trout in small streams and take them on light tackle ---- no streams or trout around here but I imagine it to be fun.
Justin
In my book there are three aceptable reasons for killing any creature:
1)survival (food & shelter)
2)self defense or in the defense of someone else
3)mercy
and when done for any of these three reasons it should be done as quickly and efficiently as possible.
Hunting is fine with me but when I was a boy my step father took me rabbit hunting. I loved every minute of it. We must have got 4 or 5 rabbits that day! As we were leaving my step father left the rabbits on the ground. I asked why we weren't taking the rabbits along. He just said they aren't good for anything.
the whole attitude sickened me.
addition: (From my book)Quote:
Originally Posted by JMS
4) overpopulation --- may fit under mercy (inevitable starvation)
.....AgreedQuote:
Originally Posted by jaegerhund
Lou is right about 8 shots. That's operator error. Unless you're using a totally wrong load, one shot should do it. I've never needed more than that on big game, but I practice a lot. This whole pig story smells.
Wayne
like I said..
if he shot the pig 8 times there would be more bloody holes
we have penetrated like 20 inches of oak with hot 45 Long Colt loads and a 500 stomps the guts out of the 45LC.
With a gun like that I would expect no less than 40 inches of penetration in flesh.
That equals shoot throughs. That equals bloody holes.
There is only one bloody hole. I'm not buying 8 shots. No way.
Quote:
Originally Posted by bbqncigars
THERE IS NO WRONG LOAD FOR A 500 SMITH !!!!!
GLASER DOESN'T LOAD 500 AMMO !!!!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by gratewhitehuntr
...you don't need to yell....
-whatever
-Lou
I'll be the first to admit that I have only a basic knowledge of guns (though I know that the side with the hole should point away from you) but if even someone as experienced and -probably- strong as GW has problems shooting a 50, then why on earth do they make these things?
Is this some sort of 'mine is bigger than yours' contest to prove your manliness?
Hey dude I shoot a 50...
Because then you might as well buy a 308 sniper rifle, remove the stock, saw off most of the barrel and mount it on a revolver grip.
Whether you are pro or anti guns, the first premise of handguns is that they are meant to shoot with in a controlled fashion.
If that is not possible, why bother?
hrm... the pic looks a bit suspect but then again I've seen one or two rather large oinkers (one from the back of the ute and once from the tree the bugger chased us up)
Largest personal pig was 108Kg dressed... (the missus was pissed when she found 1/2 the chest freezer full with wild pig :P )
Here's a story just posted on the FoxNews website:
Photo of Monster Hog Called Into Question; Web Site Claims It Was Doctored
-whatever
-Lou
EDIT: Here's a copy of the article:
FOXNEWS.COM HOME > U.S.
Photo of Monster Hog Called Into Question; Web Site Claims It Was Doctored
Tuesday, May 29, 2007
E-MAIL STORY PRINTER FRIENDLY VERSION
Is it a humongous hog, a monster mistake, or a huge hoax?
That's the question being asked Tuesday about a stunning photo distributed last Friday by the Associated Press that purports to show an 11-year-old Alabama boy standing behind a half-ton wild hog his father said he bagged with a pistol.
The boy, Jamison Stone, looks tiny in the photo as he stands behind his prize pig, which his father claims measures 9 feet 4 inches, and weighs 1,051 pounds.
"It feels really good," Jamison said last week in a telephone interview with The Associated Press. "It's a good accomplishment. I probably won't ever kill anything else that big."
Jamison's father, Mike Stone, said the prize porker was hauled off on a truck to the Clay County Farmers Exchange in Lineville, where Jeff Kinder said they used his scale, recently calibrated, to weigh the hog, according to the Associated Press and a story published in the Anniston, Ala. Star newspaper.
Kinder's scale measures only to the nearest 10, but Stone said it balanced one notch past the 1,050-pound mark.
"It probably weighed 1,060 pounds. We were just afraid to change it once the story was out," he said.
But the photo — published on hundreds of Web sites, including FOXNews.com, and emailed millions of times — now is under attack from blogs and Web sites that claim to be able to prove that the boy and his father hammed it up for the photo, and that truth sometimes isn't in the eye of the beholder.
Jamison's father, Mike Stone, claims that the positioning in all six photographs displayed on their Web site MonsterPig.com, was unplanned, accidental, coincidental.
"These are authentic pictures," Stone told the Web site StinkyJournalism.com, which claims it can prove the colossol claim isn't kosher. "They have not been altered," Stone said.
Still, StinkyJournalism.com enlisted the help of a retired New York University physicist, Richard Brandt, who offers what he says is a "technical analysis" of the Stone family's claim.
The site also claims to have evidence that other photos on the family Web site were doctored to make the feral hog look bigger than life.
Jerry Cunningham, of Jerry’s Taxidermy in Oxford, Ala., who says he's mounting the head and skull, thinks otherwise.
“It’s probably the end of June before we’re through with it,” he said. "They’re about as twice as big as the normal pig. Five-hundred pounds is big, giant. Most of them that come in to be mounted are between 150 and 250."
Cunningham said the animal measured 54 inches around the head, 74 inches around the shoulders and 11 inches from the eyes to the end of its snout.
"It's huge," he said. "It's just the biggest thing I've ever seen."
Mike Stone, meanwhile, is having sausage made from the rest of the animal.
"We'll probably get 500 to 700 pounds," he told the Associated Press.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
Lou,
So glad to see you back with your old avatar again, I couldn't figure if you were going through some sort of identity crisis or something.........welcome back. :)
As to the pig story, well that's kind of good also, nothing like letting a bit of fiction getting in the way of the real facts, and also hoping that eight shots were not really needed to bring this animal down.
Cheers
John
Yeah --I've seen 50 cal . muzzle loaders take down a bull moose with one shot -- at a fair distance (not in person but on TV) ---- but anyway I guess you have fish stories so why not hog stories --- you know there's plenty enough legitimate excitement and thrill if you just learn your skills, and get the full brunt out of the sport without worrying about getting the biggest animule ---- but if you take some pride in taking 8 shots to down the critter then I guess the concept of sport ain't exactly on the membrane.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnmw1
Anyway hope the beast was cleaned well and used efficiently.
Justin