Thread: Transgender Weightlifter Killing it

Seems everything has been ruined..Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts.....Sad!

JMHO

@ Hirlau: Just saw a recent photo of Flora Webb.....

Originally Posted by Utopian

I don't care how he/she identifies. If you functioned as biological male for 35 years, you cannot suddenly decide to be a woman and compete with actual women.

According to the way many today think, I think you can, Ron.

Originally Posted by MikeB52

Such slippery slopes and, IMO, decidedly selfish, or me-centric times we are entering into gents....
I feel nervous for our future as a race, candidly..

You both have touched on something that I think is broader than the current societal view toward transgender. Transgender is a manifestation of society attempting to replace objective reality with subjective reality. The emphasis is no longer on "us", but instead is on "me". I would say it's unsustainable because there is no foundation if objective truths are rejected; however, subjective reality is a powerful tool of control to wield against the populace that is easily manipulated.

In regard to the specific issue of biological males declaring themselves female, participating in female sports and winning handily as such -- Within the current societal framework, one would think that establishing some criteria for being accepted as the sex one claims to be would be demanded by society. It would seem to make more sense, for example, for society to establish a guideline that a person isn't recognized as being the sex opposite their biological sex until they have their genitalia permanently removed surgically.

I actually don't think such a definite guideline or "bar" will be set anytime soon, however, since doing so would erode the credibility of subjective reality being a viable and sustainable foundation for society. Subjective reality is: "You can't tell me what my reality is. Only I know what my reality is. If I say I'm a woman and think I'm a woman, how dare you question me." To those who believe this, sexual identity is now self perceived. It's no longer biologically defined. For someone to insist that a person isn't the sex they perceive themselves to be unless they were post-op is, according to people who believe this way, highly discriminatory and offensive. To those who believe this way, sexual identity can also be an evolution. It's a person's prerogative to declare female today but revert back to feeling male at some future point...

We can't have it both ways. Unless someone like the 15 year old track star were proven admitting to being a charlatan, no one can really argue otherwise without being accused of being discriminatory (powerful tool to wield against the populace....). If he simply says he thinks he's female, society must perceive him as such. He'll continue to mop the floor. He should also expect to receive any full ride scholarship that may be available to girls based on his performance.

As time goes on, I wonder if females will lose interest in group and competitive sports. Can't win? Why try?

I'm also surprised that no man who declares he's a woman hasn't applied for and expected things such as grants, etc that are set aside for women. Minority owned businesses (woman owned businesses qualify as such) often are given preferential treatment and consideration in bidding certain jobs and projects.

This is about a line that will be drawn in eventuality.
Always have said it would happen.

This side, or that?

Subjective reality,, nicely put.

Science 2017

Climate Change = Science is settled

Biology 101 = Science isn't settled

Why do I feel like I am living on a Flat Earth

That is all

Science is never settled.

Where are we going and why are we in this handbasket?

I find the transgender discussion intriguing.

Personally, I don't have issues regarding people by the gender they identify with or modifying themselves physically to feel more comfortable in their skin; if someone tells me she is a woman, I assume she knows.

By my interactions with transgender people and reading on the subject, I feel that it's a good thing that more and more gender is being regarded as being determined by what's between your ears much more than by what's between your legs.

This also goes for the clearer distinction between gender and sexual preference; I have an acquaintance who is transgender male (i.e. female-to-male) and romantically inclined towards men. After a bit of pondering on the subject, it made perfect sense to me.

In most aspects, such as legal (adoption, marriage, etc.), having children I'm all for absolute equality, irrespective of someone's gender identity, sexual orientation, skin colour, religion, whathaveyounot.

I do however feel like a discussion with regards to physical competition is relevant. I also don't believe transgender people can be physically on the same level as the gender they aim for.

Then again, testosterone levels (and other biological qualities) fluctuate within biological genders as well, giving some men a clear advantage over other men in competitive sports.

See, interesting.

Oh, another thing I learned from interacting with and reading about transgender people: it's not a sudden decision. More often than not it is the culmination of a life-long identity crisis. Pre-transformation transgender people apparently have a significantly above average risk of substance abuse and other self-destructive behaviour. I'm pretty sure most of them don't "do it" for kicks, being cool or for becoming top ranking athletes.

Also, there are very many unnatural things that are everyday reality: breast implants, GMO crops, animal breeding, medical engineering, honing on stones made from synthetic materials. Apparently, YMMV.

Originally Posted by Dieseld

But then everyone gets a trophy too right?

Participation souvenir. "Trophy", I'm sure offends someone, somewhere!