Thread: Transgender Weightlifter Killing it

Originally Posted by Utopian

I don't care how he/she identifies. If you functioned as biological male for 35 years, you cannot suddenly decide to be a woman and compete with actual women.

According to the way many today think, I think you can, Ron.

Originally Posted by MikeB52

Such slippery slopes and, IMO, decidedly selfish, or me-centric times we are entering into gents....
I feel nervous for our future as a race, candidly..

You both have touched on something that I think is broader than the current societal view toward transgender. Transgender is a manifestation of society attempting to replace objective reality with subjective reality. The emphasis is no longer on "us", but instead is on "me". I would say it's unsustainable because there is no foundation if objective truths are rejected; however, subjective reality is a powerful tool of control to wield against the populace that is easily manipulated.

In regard to the specific issue of biological males declaring themselves female, participating in female sports and winning handily as such -- Within the current societal framework, one would think that establishing some criteria for being accepted as the sex one claims to be would be demanded by society. It would seem to make more sense, for example, for society to establish a guideline that a person isn't recognized as being the sex opposite their biological sex until they have their genitalia permanently removed surgically.

I actually don't think such a definite guideline or "bar" will be set anytime soon, however, since doing so would erode the credibility of subjective reality being a viable and sustainable foundation for society. Subjective reality is: "You can't tell me what my reality is. Only I know what my reality is. If I say I'm a woman and think I'm a woman, how dare you question me." To those who believe this, sexual identity is now self perceived. It's no longer biologically defined. For someone to insist that a person isn't the sex they perceive themselves to be unless they were post-op is, according to people who believe this way, highly discriminatory and offensive. To those who believe this way, sexual identity can also be an evolution. It's a person's prerogative to declare female today but revert back to feeling male at some future point...

We can't have it both ways. Unless someone like the 15 year old track star were proven admitting to being a charlatan, no one can really argue otherwise without being accused of being discriminatory (powerful tool to wield against the populace....). If he simply says he thinks he's female, society must perceive him as such. He'll continue to mop the floor. He should also expect to receive any full ride scholarship that may be available to girls based on his performance.

As time goes on, I wonder if females will lose interest in group and competitive sports. Can't win? Why try?

I'm also surprised that no man who declares he's a woman hasn't applied for and expected things such as grants, etc that are set aside for women. Minority owned businesses (woman owned businesses qualify as such) often are given preferential treatment and consideration in bidding certain jobs and projects.