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    For me, it's my Remington 870 pistol grip 12 gauge with 18 inch barrel loaded with buckshot. I personally don't agree with the use of a slug. Should it get past the perp, it could esily travel through the walls and take out a person in the next house. Besides, after a couple doses of 00 Buck, the perp will be more concerned with the bleeding and dying part anyway. Why put the neighbors at risk? Also, the sound of a shotgun being pumped is enough to give a perp cause for pause unless he's some hyped up junky. In that case, I don't care, I'm going to ventilate his carcass anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight and loving it View Post
    For me, it's my Remington 870 pistol grip 12 gauge with 18 inch barrel loaded with buckshot. I personally don't agree with the use of a slug. Should it get past the perp, it could esily travel through the walls and take out a person in the next house. Besides, after a couple doses of 00 Buck, the perp will be more concerned with the bleeding and dying part anyway. Why put the neighbors at risk? Also, the sound of a shotgun being pumped is enough to give a perp cause for pause unless he's some hyped up junky. In that case, I don't care, I'm going to ventilate his carcass anyway.
    I have not any experience in handguns but I agree with Straight and loving it.
    In close range there is nothing more effective than a 12 gauge ( oh yes a 10 gauge) indifferent the type of load, because in 3 meters the load acts approx. as a solid block.
    BUT, if you have not pre-decide that you kill the one that is in your house uninvited, it is best not to touch any gun.
    If you have in mind to frighten or to wound only, dont touch any gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yannis View Post
    BUT, if you have not pre-decide that you kill the one that is in your house uninvited, it is best not to touch any gun.
    If you have in mind to frighten or to wound only, dont touch any gun.
    Absotutely correct. Yannis' point is critical so listen up. If you are not prepared to use it, you may lose it to only have it turned against you.

    If you think you can bluff, you will be called. And you will be carried by 6 and not judged by 12.

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    Ditto on the 'don't point it if you aren't ready to use it'. I do feel that your personal defense gun should be ready to go, however. My house gun is a Kimber loaded with Triton Quick Shok ammo. This ammo can be hard to find, but I feel it is worth it. It's a pre-fragmented hollow point, which will minimize over penetration issues. I also keep my Pro-Mag muffs next to the Kimber just in case. The amplified hearing gives me an edge, and the noise damping should keep it (after a shot). Just my ¢2 worth.



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    Quote Originally Posted by bbqncigars View Post
    Ditto on the 'don't point it if you aren't ready to use it'. I do feel that your personal defense gun should be ready to go, however. My house gun is a Kimber loaded with Triton Quick Shok ammo. This ammo can be hard to find, but I feel it is worth it. It's a pre-fragmented hollow point, which will minimize over penetration issues. I also keep my Pro-Mag muffs next to the Kimber just in case. The amplified hearing gives me an edge, and the noise damping should keep it (after a shot). Just my ¢2 worth.



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    A Kimber! Nice firearm! 1911 model? I have considerd one of those myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbqncigars View Post
    Ditto on the 'don't point it if you aren't ready to use it'. I do feel that your personal defense gun should be ready to go, however. My house gun is a Kimber loaded with Triton Quick Shok ammo. This ammo can be hard to find, but I feel it is worth it. It's a pre-fragmented hollow point, which will minimize over penetration issues. I also keep my Pro-Mag muffs next to the Kimber just in case. The amplified hearing gives me an edge, and the noise damping should keep it (after a shot). Just my ¢2 worth.



    Wayne
    A Kimber! Nice firearm! 1911 model? I have considerd one of those myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight and loving it View Post
    A Kimber! Nice firearm! 1911 model? I have considerd one of those myself.
    mucho $$$$ --- but sweet (from the little I know)

    I don't know much about pistols --but aesthetically I think the 1911 is a beauty.
    I like the looks of the HK USP also---

    That's just a "put them on the wall and admire them thing" -- I'm sure others can attest to their more functional qualities.


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    In Ohio a pistol instructor told me that a self defence shot at 25 feet was murder. He teaches to retreat untill your life is threatend. It was also pointed out that an uninvited guest in your house intends to do some harm to you or your family. I keep a colt .45 personaly I have no neighbors close enough to worry with. I do however think a 12 gauge pump with the buckshot would be tough to beat (I keep a slug barrel on mine it is short). It is said that a poor shot with a long gun can outshoot a skilled pistolaro. I think this is true. If size and economy is an issue I am a fan of the Kel-Tec P-3AT this is the best little .380 I have owned. It has several hundred rounds through it and not a single jam with the federal personal defence load. I too will not shoot handloads for self defence under the advice of a lawer.
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    This reminds me. My parents lived in Texas when they were just married. They're both dutch but my grandparents (and therefore my dad) had moved to Utah for a job my grandpa had gotten at IBM at the time.

    Anyway, my dad was a busdriver for Trailways so he'd be gone for longer periods of time. They didn't live in a very good neighbourhood and he wanted my mom to be safe so he bought her a buckshot gun.

    One time he'd forgotten (or lost) his keys. It was the middle of the night and he was just coming home from a long drive, my mom was pregnant with me and he'd also bought her a dog. Since she was pregnant (and his wife) he didn't want to wake her up in the middle of the night so he figured he'd climb through the window.

    Unfortunately the dog didn't recognize him somehow and started barking. As he was trying to shush the dog my mom burst into the room and almost shot my dad.....they decided to get rid of the gun not long after (they moved to a different neighbourhood anyway.).

    I just thought that might bring a smile to someone's face. I think I'd get something like that as well though (if I ever live in a place where guns are allowed). Something loud that hurts like hell when you get shot with it. But doesn't penetrate a lot of walls or hits any organs. besides....you can always hit them with it.

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    I know for a fact that there are some types of sabots that are designed to not be able to penetrate drywall very well, but they create huge wounds. The only problem is that I can't remember the name

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