Fine for breaking the Quarantine Act

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Originally Posted by PaulFLUS

You need to educate YOURSELF. Study up a little bit on your history would you.

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There was never a Great Plague of London.

There was the Plague, but:

The Black Death (also known as the Pestilence, the Great Mortality, or the Plague) was the deadliest pandemic recorded in human history. The Black Death resulted in the deaths of up to 75-200 million people in Eurasia and North Africa, peaking in Europe from 1347 to 1351.

Fortunately America didn't exist at the time or I'm pretty sure some president or other would have said it's nothing, it's democratic propaganda and that it will just go away in the spring.

If we continue like this the world economy will shatter?

Firstly, the world economy won't shatter because most of the world is getting a handle on this thing and managing to re open safely.
The reason that the US has more cases and more deaths of anywhere in the entire world is because it wasn't taken seriously early on when a real difference could have been made.

Secondly, what restrictions do you have? As far as I can see, the people in the US are just about fully open and can do anything they like.

As far as a few people getting sick, My math and yours must be different. Maybe calculators work differently in your neck of the woods.

If you want to see how going the herd immunity route works out, just see how Sweden made out going that way.

https://www.businessinsider.com/swed...in-data-2020-7

Their economy got hit the same as other countries and their infection and death rates were worse than the neighbouring Scandinavian countries.

Now we have this. Happy landings.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americ...unity-strategy

Bob

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Originally Posted by STF

There was never a Great Plague of London.

There was the Plague, but:

The Black Death (also known as the Pestilence, the Great Mortality, or the Plague) was the deadliest pandemic recorded in human history. The Black Death resulted in the deaths of up to 75-200 million people in Eurasia and North Africa, peaking in Europe from 1347 to 1351.

Fortunately America didn't exist at the time or I'm pretty sure some president or other would have said it's nothing, it's democratic propaganda and that it will just go away in the spring.

If we continue like this the world economy will shatter?

Firstly, the world economy won't shatter because most of the world is getting a handle on this thing and managing to re open safely.
The reason that the US has more cases and more deaths of anywhere in the entire world is because it wasn't taken seriously early on when a real difference could have been made.

Secondly, what restrictions do you have? As far as I can see, the people in the US are just about fully open and can do anything they like.

As far as a few people getting sick, My math and yours must be different. Maybe calculators work differently in your neck of the woods.

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En garde!!
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What is the end game ??

I think that is fair to ask, don't you

When is it "Over" zero cases ?? Vax ??

The problem here is that we can all link to "Medical Experts" that support all sides with exactly the same authority
We have all watched as the Experts have blown it since Jan 1

WHO CDC NIH et al have not only changed their minds but literally reversed near everything they have said
Their actual numbers are unreliable

So I ask again when is it over

We have a Flu "Vax" that on good years is only 65% effective and bad years (2018) 25% effective and we lose 10's of thousands

So again what do you say is the end game ???

There is no reliable science, (Yes I understand you believe what agrees with your agendas) to be had so when are you going to call it good ???

Herd immunity is actually a good thing. It's really good for the herd as a whole... It's also good for predators by the way. It's actually even good for the individual in the long run. The downside is being the weak one that gets dragged down by the leopard. That part really sucks wet dog fur but not for the group as a whole. But don't discount it all together because if we can get a good handle on antibodies and testing them and utilizing them properly we could theoretically do away with disease entirely. We still have a long way to go to get to that though.

Does anybody die of the regular old Flu or Pneumonia anymore who are not counted in Covid deaths?
Lots of dough to be had if they count more in, I have heard.

No doubt it is bad stuff and I surely am doing my best to work within guidelines.

It just seems to be a cash cow for some.

Your right, Tom.

The hospitals are being paid for each covid case they find.
So when little johny gets the sniffles, or a belly ache, ect.
The first thing diagnosed is its Covid.!!! $$$

I know people who work in the covid wards, here in Akron, and they keep telling me that the ward is all but empty.

The higher ups tell you its because the people are going a good job with masks, and distancing. Take a look at the world outside.....its not so. The majority of the folks it kills, already have a foot in the grave, or underlying issues.

Sad.....but true.

Yes, herd immunity is a good thing and why it is critical that everyone get their seasonal flu shot even though it is not 100% effective. Herd immunity does not mean nobody will get infected or die from a communicable disease but that those numbers will be greatly reduced. That is because the number of people who are not immune have far fewer people around them that can infect them.

Having an effective, not necessarily 100%, vaccine against Covid 19 should reduce the the number of infections and deaths from it to a level where you can go about your daily routine without the extra measures now in place. That is only if a very high percentage of a population get the inoculation, likely on a yearly basis similarly to the common flu.

To me the end game is a return to some sort of pre Covid 19 normality. It will be a money maker, as it should, for those companies that can produce the vaccine.

Bob

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Originally Posted by BobH

Yes, herd immunity is a good thing and why it is critical that everyone get their seasonal flu shot even though it is not 100% effective. Herd immunity does not mean nobody will get infected or die from a communicable disease but that those numbers will be greatly reduced. That is because the number of people who are not immune have far fewer people around them that can infect them.

Having an effective, not necessarily 100%, vaccine against Covid 19 should reduce the the number of infections and deaths from it to a level where you can go about your daily routine without the extra measures now in place. That is only if a very high percentage of a population get the inoculation, likely on a yearly basis similarly to the common flu.

To me the end game is a return to some sort of pre Covid 19 normality. It will be a money maker, as it should, for those companies that can produce the vaccine.

Bob

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While I don't necessarily disagree with anything you have said Bob.

There is no way I will get any vaccine that has been rushed through and forgone years of testing.

Has anyone else seen the commercials on TV, the ones that tout a fantastic new drug and then list the possible side effects as quickly and quietly as they as they can. An arthritis drug than can cause cancer or heart failure for example.

I still remember Thalidomide and how my Mum told me she was terrified because she wasn't sure if she had taken it.

I think I will watch for a while and see how many commercials there are for class action lawsuits before I get a shot. In the meantime, I am semi retired and work from home - I have 2 fridge freezers and a big upright freezer in the garage as well as a bread maker.

All I need to get is a cow in the back garden for milk and butter and I can ride out the virus while I watch to see if the vaccine is actually safe.

I'm not convinced that anyone that makes these COVID shots actually care about long term effects because the various governments will go all out to protect them and they will make millions for being the first to the finish line.

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Originally Posted by PaulFLUS

Herd immunity is actually a good thing. It's really good for the herd as a whole... It's also good for predators by the way. It's actually even good for the individual in the long run. The downside is being the weak one that gets dragged down by the leopard. That part really sucks wet dog fur but not for the group as a whole. But don't discount it all together because if we can get a good handle on antibodies and testing them and utilizing them properly we could theoretically do away with disease entirely. We still have a long way to go to get to that though.

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How badly do you need to get it to have enough antibodies and how long do they last before it can be caught again?