I think they are finally getting serious about this.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/autos/news...?ocid=msedgntp
Bob
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I think they are finally getting serious about this.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/autos/news...?ocid=msedgntp
Bob
A bit excessive
I think the article is a little bit misleading in that no fine has been paid yet and the accused has to appear in court at which point the amount of the fine will be determined by the judge. IIRC the fines start at $1200.00 CADQuote:
Originally Posted by rolodave
From this article https://www.cheknews.ca/mandatory-qu...canada-658181/
The penalty for violating this order could cost anyone caught up to $750,000. It could also result in arrest and up to six months in jail.
Penalties are even more drastic if officials believe someone is jeopardizing others’ lives “while wilfully or recklessly contravening the act.” If caught, that could mean fines up to $1 million or three years in prison.
Bob
They need to start fining Canadians who travel and not spend the two weeks ensuring that they are virus free before contacting others. They have been leaning on people passing through a wee bit, but honestly there is a much broader group that this should apply too.
Also that’s classic Canadian reporting, talking about the maximum penalty. Few people arrested in Canada ever face the maximum for anything.
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Yea, another unbiased reporter, no agenda there. Here in California, they can’t keep the lights on, but you can charge your EV at a much-discounted Government Subsidized rate. What will happen if everyone goes to electric?
Wind, solar and other “green” electric generators are less than 2 percent of the grid, can you say Nuclear?
Yes, the Quarantine Act applies to anyone entering Canada from abroad including returning Canadians and should be enforced more rigorously than it has been. Having US plates makes you an easy target for people to report to authorities.Quote:
Originally Posted by RezDog
The report appeared in an American magazine and was likely not properly researched.
Bob
I have not idea what the writer's bias in favour of electric vehicles as to do with enforcement of the Quarantine Act during a global Covid 19 pandemic. A vehicle's power source has nothing to do with the Quarantine Act or it's enforcement in Canada.Quote:
Originally Posted by Euclid440
Bob
So, guess who he is voting for?
Who is going to suffer when Americans say, Ok, won’t be going to Canada? Canadian small business. Look who he writes for, that is the point of posting his bio.
There is a press agenda. It is not reporting, it is agenda driven propaganda.
Half of Southern California will re-open fully tomorrow, in spite of the Governor and the press propaganda. Problem is most of small business will not, 50-70 percent say they are done. And it did not have to happen, is was and is politically driven.
Marijuana and liquor stores stay open, Schools small business, restaurants and churches must close. Rioting and burning down police station and federal building with no masks, that is peaceful protest.
There was a coordinated attack on Police stations across Southern California yesterday, not one word in the press, it did not happen.
Do you think people will pay those fines, or just say, I will not be going back to Canada? So, what is the point of targeting Americans, and reporting it.
Are you insinuating that the media is anything but truth justice and the American way? Lol. The media is the pandemic if you ask me. :beer1:Quote:
Originally Posted by Euclid440
You are right Bob but it's not only people with US plates.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobH
We have family in New brunswick but don't see them at the moment, try parking your car in Atlantic Canada with Ontario plates.
Yes, but you are not dealing with the Canada Quarantine Act but Provincial ones I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by STF
Bob
I may not like Donald Trump and I don't agree with how he conducts his affairs, but he did get one thing right. He said, "The media is the enemy of the people" and I do agree with that. Sensationalism sells stories, not the factional ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill31521
The Canada US border land border has been closed to non essential traffic for months now with few exceptions such as visiting family in Canada but only after doing a 14 day quarantine on arrival in Canada. Canadians returning home from abroad and visitors from overseas are subject to the same rules too. So, no it is not targeting just Americans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Euclid440
Our tourism is down drastically from the US and the rest of the world too. It is the price you have to pay not to have the Covid 19 infection and death rates the US now has. If you don't pay the fine you may not be able to return to Canada in the future anyway.
Bob
My sense from the reporting is that the big fines or nasty warnings have only been applied to folks who repeatedly disobeyed the self isolation requirement or lied to Canadian border officers about passing through BC on their way to Alaska. Those are folks who I'd prefer not come back north of the order.
At the risk of stiring up some real trouble for myself.
I live in SW Ontario just 30 minutes from Detroit.
I for one am relieved that Mr Trumps 170,000 covid deaths + 2.3 million covid cases are being kept out of Ontario.
Mr Trump's? Lol. This is a pandemic. 180 plus nation's.
All the recent polls I have seen on reopening the border to non essential traffic indicate the vast majority of Canadians, myself included, want it to remain closed. Likely until such time as there is better control of the pandemic globally and specifically in the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by STF
Bob
Yes, this is a pandemic and some countries are coping better than others. Seems the US is not coping that well and it occurred on Mr. Trumps watch so he should get the credit for the efforts taken to contain it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill31521
https://www.statista.com/page/covid-19-coronavirus
Bob
The silent majority (not the media controlled by the left) thinks he has done a great job. Staying closed is worse in my and many other opinions. Time will tell. But I have a feeling that after the November election things will be much better regarding covid. The type of lockdown some people think we need is unconstitutional imo. But if your scared and feel like the sky is falling then stay inside! But let the rest of us go out. The waters fine! Jump right in.
Well Bob, you could always build a wall eh?
That is fine in your own country but becomes a possible problem when you travel to another country and flaunt it's laws. We are two different countries set on two different courses wrt managing Covid 19. Once the global pandemic gets under control I see no reason that the border should not be open to non essential travel once again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill31521
Bob
Ah ya, the perfect solution to border issues LOL. I think enforcement of the Quarantine Act is good enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grazor
Bob
We are still on fairly strict rules as far as the comings and goings of people here. I’m ok with that. Globally manny small businesses will not survive this. It all hinges on how stable they were to start with, how well they have adapted, and how well they are supported by banks, grants and government loans. Shit storms happen regularly that cause the collapse of businesses large and small. I do know that there is a level symbiotic economics that take place between Canada and the US. Either of our economies flounder and the other pays the price as well. I do hope that globally things get under control soon. I think that South Korea has done a stellar job of controlling the pandemic there. It would do all of us well if we could follow the best models, instead of reinventing the wheel. I have a contact tracing app on my phone. If you think for a second that the advertisers and marketers are not already tracking you and your phone, you are naive. I am more concerned with the survival of more things than the temporary loss of a few civil liberties.
Okay, I'm calling BS. It's a dirty rotten job but somebody has to do it. It's about time somebody did. If people want to isolate themselves, their towns, counties, countries then so be it but there is just something that smells fishy about this. When someone can give me a straight answer as to the death toll I'll take it seriously. You do realize that if you have a piano dropped on you and die then posthumously test positive they call it a Covid related death right? Why is that? If we were talking about stroke or heart disease you would get a straight answer. The truth of it is convoluted but really very simple. There is no political hay to be made with stroke or heart disease. Quick quiz: Q: who gets tested for the flu every year? A: the people who show symptoms for it. There is no massive random testing for flu so how do we know how many people contract the flu every year and never show any symptoms? Between 250,000-650,000 people die worldwide every year with the flu... And we have a vaccine for that. Why is there no major outcry about it? And why is there this big panic with Covid when we can say definitively now that such a large percentage of people who get it show little to no symptoms? There are too many things that just don't make any sense logically, statistically, economically, it's just not right. There is political and societal monkey business going on with all of this. The WHO has shown themselves to be unreliable and politically motivated. The media has become a PAC... always has been really. We just have options now: one of the redeeming qualities of the internet. There are very few entities you can actually trust. I don't know who's baby this is or what their angle is but there is some kind of BS going on here.
Don't believe much of anything when there is so much conflicting info.
I saw this......https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronso...9cIY-7JKC994Lk
I’m sort of with you and sort of scratching my head at the same time. I’d like to question you source of the piano thing. I honestly do not believe that they rest every dead person for COVID. Is people that have symptoms that get tested, and if those people die they go in the count as dead, if they recover they go in the count as recovered. Regionally we are not doing broad testing, at least not here in my region. Other regions have. Globally, in six months, with everyone freaking out and measures in place to slow the spread, there is still 8 million ish dead. Quite a bit more than the flu. Also we do have a vaccine for the flu, but still people both vaccinated and un vaccinated die, lots of them. However it’s not that far back in history that lots of people died from the flu. In fact the whole world freaked out in 1918 from the flu, there were crazy numbers of dead people, especially when you consider the speed of transportation and the size of the world population. In the not so distant future we will developed a vaccine, develop a patient management therapy, and it will shrink and not be such a big deal. Feel free to go about your business.
There is a large percentage of the population with underlying conditions. I suspect it’s somewhat rare to have people die from a singular medical cause. To have no underlying causes, is to be a perfect specimen. I no longer qualify.
Sadly, everything is politicized in USA these days. Covid deaths and blame thereof seems to be no exception.
It’s likely the same in a lot of areas. Having only two political parties does seem to polarize everything? A lot of non political issues are twisted and politicized here too. Sometimes I’d like to see less finger pointing, and more cohesive solutions.
There is a large contingent of people who would say the following.
When you are born there is no warranty or guarantee attached to your birth certificate. At any point in your life you may succumb to anything from manmade, man assisted, natural, act of god or just plain bad luck. So, just live with that and move on. People die every day of all kinds of things and so if x number die of covid so be it and let's all just move on with it and our lives.
My view to that is as it has always been. When you personally are OK with seeing your own family die from this thing and still feel the same way let me know. So far no one has. It's easy to send strangers to their deaths.
True words Big. I am in constant appall over the insensitivity to the plight and lives of others. That condition is the mainstay of so many negative approaches to living that in many way I am glad that I am, and have been, a semi-hermit for many, many years. I am well aware of the world around me and interact when I feel the need. I am not an isolationist of dooms-dayer but hopefully a realist.
I agree to a certain extent. It is really easy to be cavalier when it's not your own life or your family's. By the same token until the final day the sky is in fact NOT falling. The only sure thing in life is death. Even taxes are not sure. What is the very worst that could happen to you if you don't pay? The death penalty and then you have to die. You still don't have to pay the taxes. The point is there are reasonable precautions and unreasonable precautions. Wearing a helmet while riding a bicycle or motorcycle is a reasonable precaution ( I won't get into the whole argument about mandating them. I mean voluntarily). Never going outside because a meteor might fall on you or dressing your kids in bubble wrap and never taking your eyes off of them are unreasonable precautions. Where is that line in the sand? :shrug: Beats me. It is somewhere between "let us eat and drink for tomorrow we die," and, "THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!"Quote:
Originally Posted by thebigspendur
In a climate, as others have also noted, where every bloody thing is turned into a political hammer and the leaders of social movement groups are advocating treason those lines become even more blurred.
I am still, by the way, taking my reasonable precautions but life has to go on and until someone shows me something more concrete than sketchy math and scary anecdotes I am STILL calling BS.
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Originally Posted by sharptonn
Couldn't have said it better...that's why I'm calling BS
Couple of points, I have not heard of anybody that has tested positive for covid19 being hit on he head with a piano so I think I need you to quote your source for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulFLUS
I have personally never heard of anybody being asymptomatic with the flu, you have it and feel like death warmed up or you don't have it as far as i am aware.
I do agree that a lot of people get covid19 and don't even know, but, who knows what the future looks like health-wise for those people.
Anybody that thinks of getting the virus to get immunity has to be out of their ever loving heads. Over 170,000 people got it and didn't get immune and that is just in the US.
Those that don't get quite as immune as they think will quickly learn the error of their ways. I was in a coma for 3 weeks and woke up with a ventilator down my throat and a feeding tube up my nose, it is not a lot of fun I can say for sure (I had Legionnaires Disease in England)
I don't think the WHO were doing such a terrible job, they could do better for sure but it just suited a certain Ex apprentice tv star to blame them for the covid in his country.
I personally don't think CNN and co are fake news and I don't think that Sanjay Gupta or Dr Fauchi are telling porkies, but even if it were maybe not as bad as we are being told, I don't really see the issue.
Do you refuse to wear a seat belt because statistically, not many people die in car accidents compared to how many cars are on he road?
As far as the politics and the muddying of the facts the American Public should get their heads out of their butts and instead of listening to Trump and his lackeys or Rush or Maddow they should listen to the Virologists, and Epidemiologists and Community Health pros who have no connection to the Govt or right or left wing media.
If you do you will find the message has been consistent with the progression of this Pandemic since almost January. The problem is few have listened and that's why we are in the mess we are currently in. Too many have a political stake in this thing.
See, this is the problem with the media today. Even though it is better to have something else besides Kronkite and the other left wingers who not only won't say they're biased they don't even THINK they're biased. They just think they're right...never even considered there was another viewpoint. But these days no matter what you say you can find some to say it's a crock of dung. It's actually a good thing but too many people are intellectually lazy. It's like personal liberty. Not everyone wants it because it involves a lot of risk and personal responsibility. Some people like the cradle to grave nanny state because it takes the pressure off of them to swim instead of sink.
But don't put words in my mouth. I wear my mask and I use my hand sanitizer and wash my hands a lot. I don't go out TRYING to get infected because I'm ...oh I don't know...a DUMBASS. And by the way, one of my good friends and surfing buddies is an infectious disease specialist and he was the first one I contacted when this all started. He is a heavyweight in his field and.a.pioneer particularly in the diagnosis and treatment in the early days of HIV/AIDS. However in some ways I think that makes him less qualified to make policy decisions. Because he is so close to the one aspect he definitely has his entire focus on the disease portion and can't see the bigger societal picture. If the entire world economy goes down the drain from shutting down the whole schemeel we might as well all get Covid and die, unless of course you WANT to go back to the medieval age. We may not have many options anyway with all the other unrest we are allowing the power brokers to sell us. That's why I'm heavily armed and on my guard. Walk softly and carry...oh, and pray a LOT. I pray the rioters and looters don't come to my door but I'll pray for their souls while I send them to meet their maker.
By the way, I won't drive across a parking lot without my seatbelt but that doesn't mean I'm going to let regulations put me on the street where I'll almost certainly get Covid, or die of exposure or starvation or get shanked by another bum after the money I got begging.
But how would you know? Have you ever been tested for the flu unless you were sick? My daughter works at a retirement home and she has to be tested every 2 weeks. There was a school in the next county over from me where on kid tested (for whatever reason) positive but was asymptomatic so they tested the whole class and 12 kids tested positive and none of them were symptomatic.Quote:
Originally Posted by STF
But your point really just reinforces what I am saying. You get the flu and get sick as hell...one year I had type A H1N3 and I really thought I was going to die. I've only been that sick once in my life that I can remember and that was when I got salmonella from some bad chicken. AND YET we go about our lives and no entire countries shut down and somehow we survive. I'm not saying we should IGNORE Covid. In fact we really ought to be more careful about the flu. Let's face it that's what Covid is. It's just a fancy flu.
I'm not naive enough nor ignorant enough to presume that the whole thing is a hoax nor am I diminishing anyone who has it or wants to keep from getting it. What I am saying is that we can't stop the world from turning because a few people get sick. The great plague of London wiped out a quarter of the population at that time and yet there is still a London left. I'm calling BS on the way that this thing has been overinflated and how the regulations are stripping everyone's rights away to the point where if we continue like this the world economy is going to shatter. In the grand scheme of things that will be an even worse occurrence than the pandemic itself. We have to get a little clarity and stop letting the power brokers who are using this to divide us so that they can buy power turn us into chicken littles.
Boy, this is fun! I hope nobody got offended. I think it's good to talk about differences. To quote Myron from Jingle All The Way, "Sorry about the tension back there. I just got caught up in the friendly spirit of the competition."
Fancy Flu???? Wow I don't know what to say.
Sure the flu kills loads of old age types who are one foot into the grave but it doesn't kill teenagers or younger folks in great health and it's affects don't linger for months at a time after it's gone or more.
Wanna know the differences? Pay a visit to your local hospital and talk to the RNs and they'll educate you (if they let you in that is).
You need to educate YOURSELF. Study up a little bit on your history would you. The Spanish flu killed mostly young healthy people. An acute respiratory infection, caused by a virus, high fever and lots of fluid in the lungs...t's a fancy flu.
Edit: Oh, and by the way the type A flu kills plenty of younger people too with compromised immune systems and the very young even without being compromised. Have you ever had type A flu. Most people who talk the way you do never have.
