Thread: Blackjacks and sap

I know some of you have your CCL and have your favorite shooter at the ready. But for those folks in the UK who don?t, do you have a blackjack or sap to stand in should good turn to bad?

I'd much rather carry a blade. But a ballpoint pen, or a set of keys will suffice. Eyes, throat, or knees. Take away any of these three...man don't wanna fight.

Originally Posted by outback

I'd much rather carry a blade. But a ballpoint pen, or a set of keys will suffice. Eyes, throat, or knees. Take away any of these three...man don't wanna fight.

Ya, I carry a PM2 but I suppose blades are illegal in the UK. Not sure even Blackjacks are legal there.

It's a sad day when you feel you have to go armed by some means when out and about. Never really felt that way most of my life now I am beginning to wonder.

Bob

Since Covid days and all the defunding Police along with revolving door for violent crims and mental cases, I can go days without seeing a policeman around here.
Seems they only stick their heads out until called to survey the aftermath.

I CCW everywhere I go. If I can't, I usually won't go.

Problem with concealed carry is in the name. It's not a deterent if they can't see it. That's the argument some make for open carry.
Florida has interesting knife carry laws. You can open carry any knife that is not a spring loaded projectile. If it is concealed in your pocket or covered by a jacket even you have to have a CWFL (Florida calls it Concealed Weapon or Firearm License) unless it is under 4 " in length or considered a "regular pocket knife or multitool." BUT, if it is in plain sight you can carry anything up to amd including a sword or machete.......I don't make em up, I just live by it.

So, since CC is "concealed" I also open carry a fixed blade as a visual deterent. 9MM in the front pocket though.

Originally Posted by sharptonn

Since Covid days and all the defunding Police along with revolving door for violent crims and mental cases, I can go days without seeing a policeman around here.
Seems they only stick their heads out until called to survey the aftermath.

I CCW everywhere I go. If I can't, I usually won't go.

That’s the only sensible option. While I own a blackjack, it would be my least choice for protection. I’m way too old to be that up close to physical confrontation.

Originally Posted by BobH

It's a sad day when you feel you have to go armed by some means when out and about. Never really felt that way most of my life now I am beginning to wonder.

Bob

Bob, you know, I am a locksmith and in this profession people will drag you right in the middle of their disputes without telling you and expect you to take their side while they use you as a human shield. In spite of all this I never carried for over 35 years. Maybe that was just blissful ignorance. Then the housing bubble burst and in 2 years I rekeyed 401 foreclosed properties. Couple with that that people were in the middle of the Great Recession and some had become desperate. Add on top of that the rise in drug use especially meth. I never did but I know locksmiths in other areas that walked in on meth kitchens. Those guys are nuts to begin with and now they are maybe high as a kite and facing serious jail time but they are holed up in a place that has no links to them. God only knows what they might do to some poor unsuspecting soul who stumbles into their off the grid operation. They could kill you and vanish with no way to trace them.
Although I never walked in on one in operation I did come behind an abandoned one (pretty sure) and I have walked in on squatters. At that point I said, maybe it's time. I have a family to support and I just can't take that chance.
I'm a God fearing man and I do not wish to harm anyone but I can't let anyone harm my family by harming me. In that situation I will ask forgiveness and pray for his soul before I send him to meet his maker instead.

Originally Posted by PaulFLUS

Bob, you know, I am a locksmith and in this profession people will drag you right in the middle of their disputes without telling you and expect you to take their side while they use you as a human shield. In spite of all this I never carried for over 35 years. Maybe that was just blissful ignorance. Then the housing bubble burst and in 2 years I rekeyed 401 foreclosed properties. Couple with that that people were in the middle of the Great Recession and some had become desperate. Add on top of that the rise in drug use especially meth. I never did but I know locksmiths in other areas that walked in on meth kitchens. Those guys are nuts to begin with and now they are maybe high as a kite and facing serious jail time but they are holed up in a place that has no links to them. God only knows what they might do to some poor unsuspecting soul who stumbles into their off the grid operation. They could kill you and vanish with no way to trace them.
Although I never walked in on one in operation I did come behind an abandoned one (pretty sure) and I have walked in on squatters. At that point I said, maybe it's time. I have a family to support and I just can't take that chance.
I'm a God fearing man and I do not wish to harm anyone but I can't let anyone harm my family by harming me. In that situation I will ask forgiveness and pray for his soul before I send him to meet his maker instead.

Yes, I do understand how the world has changed and not for the better. You have to do what you feel you have to do.

Bob

Originally Posted by BobH

It's a sad day when you feel you have to go armed by some means when out and about. Never really felt that way most of my life now I am beginning to wonder.

Bob

I think I should clarify that a bit. Over the past decade or so there has been a huge increase in deadly drugs coming in from the US and Mexico plus our own home-grown stuff. This has brought with it a huge trade in selling the drugs as the money to be made is astronomical. Many gangs are involved now and all as part of the tools of the trade have illegal firearms with many turf wars. The Ontario government has recently stated the 91% of the firearms seized in drug busts have been illegally smuggled in from the US. All this is a huge change from my younger years 50 years ago. We are not alone in that many other countries are suffering the same way. The solution to the problem is very complicated but I will say that more firearms legislation like what was just passed will not help. You can only go so far legislating laws aimed at firearms and we are well passed that point in Canada. Doing that has become the low hanging fruit solution for politicians to say they are doing something to combat the violence. That pacifies the general public to a large extent. Sorry for the rambling post but it really is frightening how times have changed here in Canada.

Bob