Thread: Political control or a real danger.

Is global warming a Political ploy to keep us scared and under someone else"s control or is there a real danger for our generation and generations to come!
Now keep in mind, it would be real easy to kick someone in the crotch by accident on this thread, so post what you believe, but be mindful of your fellow posters!

I believe that everything moves in cycles! You have yearly cycles (summer, fall, winter, and spring) And ever larger cycles! We may actually be warming but mans effect on these cycles are inconsequential, an ants fart in the wind, if you will! I believe we have the capability of making our environment an uncomfortable one, even a dangerous one (Wars, smog. pollution) ,but to believe that our actions might destroy the earth is the height of arrogance! We may someday destroy ourselves, although not likely in my opinion, but the earth will always go on! and through Gods grace, she will always support and nurture her inhabitants! We are but a speck in Gods universe!
In my mind it is political and also a money maker for many of the top supporters of the global warming belief!

Those are my beliefs! What are yours?


Mark Avery

I think we as humans are, in our own eyes, far more important than we actually are! I see very little humility these days!

I voted not real, purely political, but I took it to mean basically what you said. This "warming" has been going on in cycles since creation. I put not real simply because global warming implies that it's getting worse and worse. I think it's purely political in that there are waaaaaay more important things going on, but people are made to believe that this is life threatening. I guess it's a lot like the vote on the ottoman genocide thing. More important things are calling, but we're sitting around talk about things almost 100 years past.

Yeah, I probably should have voted not real also!

My beliefs are that this should not be answered based on beliefs. In other words I do not subscribe to argumentum ad ignorantiam.

First things first - 'Real global warming' only means 'The temperature of the Earth's surface a.k.a. globe is systematically (not indefinitely) increasing with time'. The question about Real should not be even discussed - it is measured, thus proven scientific fact. The question is 'is the current Global warming caused by human activity or not', or another way to phrase it differently could be 'is human caused Global Warming Real?'

I have already expressed my opinion before. To the best of our knowledge there are very strong indications that human activity is causing significant changes in the Earth's climate. Significant in the last sentence means important, i.e. having a large impact on human activity.

As far as cycles go - I am of the persuasion that there are basic fundamental laws and things are fairly deterministic. Whether a diety made the laws, or likes to bend them every now and then, is something I would rather not touch. Important is that in this case 'cycles' is not a sufficient explanation for me. I do not find it as satisfactory as I find for example the statement 'at night the temperature lowers and in the day it increases'. This example is good enough for me, because I understand that at night the main source of energy to Earth's surface is unavailable and during the day it is. Not the same case with 'cycles'.

So far nobody has come up with even a mildly plausible explanation of what is the cause of these 'cycles' and more importantly why would we be experiencing one that is causing the temperatures to rise right now. At the same time the increased release of fossil-sourced energy into the earth's surface undoubtedly is increasing the temperature of said surface. (For those who have forgotten science, the temperature is a measure of the energy of chaotic motion of particles and this energy was converted from the potential energy stored in the fossil fuel.)

So, from two possible explanations, one of which is somewhat substantiated and one of which is completely in the realm of 'why not caused by something unexplainable and uncontrollable' I respectfully choose to favor the one with more substance.

I also think humans are clever beings and even if they cannot destroy the earth it is certainly within their power to make it pretty creature-less (Ref. nuclear weapons - used properly can do wonders).

I voted 'Real, threat'.

I hope this is not kicking anybody in the crotch. At least my view is conservative, in the sense I would rather not taking chances.

I don't think your kicking anyone in the crotch and as far as being conservative, you, my friend, are far from it!


I thought you presented your thoughts in quite a thoughtful manner actually, although I am not certain that I agree with a single word you said though!

whew - i was getting close in some other threads....

you sure i'm not conservative, i'd like to conserve the fuel energy... apparently doesn't count

(ok, this is a signature that 4:20am EST is pushing it a bit - hopefully tomorrow will bring more responses)

Originally Posted by gugi

whew - i was getting close in some other threads....

you sure i'm not conservative, i'd like to conserve the fuel energy... apparently doesn't count

(ok, this is a signature that 4:20am EST is pushing it a bit - hopefully tomorrow will bring more responses)

I hope to see all the regulars come out and play!

I suspect that the environment does run in cycles, but that mankind's pollution has sped things up. All the carbon, gases, waste has to go somewhere....

I think the real issue is whether we can do anything to undo the damage or is it too late. Keep in mind the Earth is fine...all the Save the Earth folks are really saying "Save the People." The earth will be here...but will it be habitable?

I think global warming is real, but not due to CO2, but is controlled by the sun. I'm sure greenhouse gases due contribute but are not as significant as the sun. I think CO2 is just an indication of where were at a certain time. I think pollution, deforestation, and poor management of our natural resources is far more important, than making a new tax for the goverment, or powers in the forms of new laws, to supress or encourage new businesses based on CO2.

There is recorded literature from the egyptian's going through the same thing in the past. It's in the book of life and death. I feel that since every planet in our solar system seams to be going through global warming then it has got to be something far greater than us, therefore we should spend our time and resources into accepting what is going to happen and preparing for it. As well as cleaning up our enviroment, and doing a better job of managing our resources so our children, and there children don't inherit a cesspool.

Originally Posted by gugi

So far nobody has come up with even a mildly plausible explanation of what is the cause of these 'cycles' and more importantly why would we be experiencing one that is causing the temperatures to rise right now. At the same time the increased release of fossil-sourced energy into the earth's surface undoubtedly is increasing the temperature of said surface. (For those who have forgotten science, the temperature is a measure of the energy of chaotic motion of particles and this energy was converted from the potential energy stored in the fossil fuel.)

Gugi - I wanted to snip this out and answer it. While I don't disagree that man is contributing to CO2 levels and that CO2 *can* retain heat, there is also evidence that shows a much closer tie between sunspot levels and temperature than between CO2 levels and temperature.

Some reading at John Daly's website and his associated links help explain the proposal.

Edit to add: Do I think that GW is a myth? Not at all - it's demonstrably happening now.

Do I think that manmade CO2 is the prime forcing agent for this change? No - I think it's contributing, but (at this point) I don't believe that it's the prime forcing agent.