Quote Originally Posted by Bruno View Post
Speaking as someone who actually lives in a partially socialist country:
What the US is going to has nothing to do with socialism.

Apparently Hillary Clinton has ideas that can be considered socialist, as do a few others (guess who I am rooting for ) but that seems like a minor point, except it is not 'the American way'

~3000 died in the 911 attacks, and it changed the soul of a nation.
The US government is playing fast and loose with virtually every part of the constitution, with the excuse of terrorism squashing all opposition.
What worries me is that people don't seem to mind.
Instead everyone seems to think that those 3000 deaths were somehow more special than the 10s of thousands that die each year in traffic accidents caused by bad roads and unsafe conditions, and somehow those 3000 deaths are used to whitewash every violation of the constitution.

In the current presidential race, there is noone who dares go in the opposite direction. Instead, politicians talk about patriotism, but noone seems to ask 'Well if you are so patriotic, then why don't you live by the constitution? '

2 years ago, Turkey wanted my government to extradite a woman who was accused of being a terrorist, but there were no legal grounds to do so. So they left her under normal allowed surveillance, and she went into hiding. (And our government really doesn't want to know where she went). The minister of Justice explained that our constitution and our laws did not let us do more.
At that moment I was proud, because imo a constitution is as close to holy as the law of men can be.

Trust me. Socialism is NOT going to be the major problem you think it is. It is being used as a distraction in order to move your attention away from the real pain points.

EDIT: to prevent some misconceptions: I generally Like Americans, and I like America (or I wouldn't have married over there) but the American government and foreign policies really annoy me.
Quote Originally Posted by LX_Emergency View Post
My thoughts are somewhat similar to Bruno's (but then you expect me to be like that living in a "socialist" country don't you?) But a little less strongly about it.

My bothers with the american government are simply that they seem to live on extremes. I know that socialism is deemed the extreme evil (actually it's communism but lately less and less americans seem to understand the difference between those two.) but I'm someone that doesn't agree with extremes in ANY form of government.

Extreme socialism is wrong, extreme Communism is wrong...and (GASP ) so is extreme capitalism.

I think any government that takes care of it's citizens must have a little bit of socialism. I think even a little bit of (NOOOOOOOOOOO, don't say it!!!) communism should be ok. And offcourse I don't mind some capitalism in the mix either.

It's when people start claiming that either one is "THE ONE" (I know Kung Fu) that I start getting shivers and want to run the other way. It's the reason that it's so difficult for people to discuss politics....because politics seem to have crossed over into the realm of religion where anyone who has a different opinion than you will go to hell.

So I say....bring it on....a little moderation never harmed anyone and will never harm the US either.

As for the constitutioin of the states. I believe that it's an inspired document. That being said though I also believe that it's being trod on hand and foot at the moment.

From what I understand about the Patriot Act for instance I think it's a big and a (but I might be misunderstanding it)

Anyway. I'm not saying that my country is better....I don't think it is. We've got plenty of problems here, just different ones.
Interesting, It seems that America bashing is somewhat acceptable and if someone doesn't like it , well, I guess they just get their panties in a bunch far too easily, but let me talk critical of Socialism and all of it's kissing cousins and boy do you have a fit!
I am curious about something though, why is it so important to other countries that we ( the USA ) be more socialistic in nature and less independent?