Thread: Communism

Originally Posted by LX_Emergency

Children are not resources or items in any economic system. A communistic system also provides for those who can't provide for themselves.

Children are not a necessity! We make a conscious choice, based on our situation and capabilities, to have children! Therefore, they are a luxury, but once you make that decision you are saddled with this responsibility for 18 years! There is no going back!!

Originally Posted by JMS

Children are not a necessity! We make a conscious choice, based on our situation and capabilities, to have children! Therefore, they are a luxury, but once you make that decision you are saddled with this responsibility for 18 years! There is no going back!!

I agree 100%

But once you have them, needs take priority before wants, and kids bring no monetary value with them. Yet you and your wife bring in the money and take care of that

So those ideas of the communistic principle still apply, even if having the kids has to be based on a lot of thinking beforehand.

Originally Posted by Bruno

But once you have them, needs take priority before wants, and kids bring no monetary value with them. Yet you and your wife bring in the money and take care of that

So those ideas of the communistic principle still apply, even if having the kids has to be based on a lot of thinking beforehand.

I care for my children because I love them and want them to grow up to stand on their own two feet, so everything I do is towards that end! The philosophy you set forth, no matter how lofty it sounds, always results creating a lazy class of people who expect their needs to be met by someone else!
Let me repeat: The end result of raising a family out of love results in independence for all, but the end result of a family based on a communistic standard never makes it to that independence as it only creates the mindset that someone else will take care of me!

Not sure I can agree with kids being a luxury item. Surely they are necessary for the survival of the tribe/state or whatever.
I suppose it would be a way to end political disagreement forever, just stop having kids and all arguments will end in a hundred years or so.

Originally Posted by Wildtim

I don't think the family is a communist unit. I would have called mine a resource based dictatorship. The ruling pair had control over all the necessary resources, food, clothing shelter, money, and even transportation. My sibling and I were required by our rulers to meet certain specific conditions and perform certain tasks to be allowed to experience the largess of our rulers.

To get food I had to sit up straight, keep my elbows off the table and tell the rulers about my day.

To get clothing I was required to go with one of our rulers to the store at her convenience and negotiate for the clothing I desired, otherwise I would be dressed in livery of her choice that would mark me to any outsiders as her property.

The Money was doled out grudgingly for chores performed in the proper manner by the deadline required of me.

To remain sheltered it was often quoted to me that it was "their way or the highway" and if I "stayed in their house it was under their rules."

I just don't see this as communal living.

Hear hear!

Sure, it's got it's place, but not as a national scheme. To me, communism only works when a close group of people all need it to work. For instance, the Pilgrims were communist for a while and it worked well. They depended on everyone working as a group and contributing to the whole for survival. However, as soon as they didn't need everyone for survival, some got lazy and only took from the group instead of giving and taking. It was around that time that things changed.

On the national setting, it doesn't work. We already have a form of it in our welfare system. Have kids, collect a paycheck. I certainly don't like it how it is, and it pisses me off to support people who don't need support. Like hell I would want a national scheme like that.

Originally Posted by heliguy

Not sure I can agree with kids being a luxury item. Surely they are necessary for the survival of the tribe/state or whatever.
I suppose it would be a way to end political disagreement forever, just stop having kids and all arguments will end in a hundred years or so.

I agree. There are certain basic drives in all animals -- thirst, hunger, and the need to procreate. Humans are no different. As "higher beings" we can intellectualise it as much as we like, but having kids is not a luxury, it's a basic need. Sure, it might be a personal choice, but on a species level it ain't an option.

That's the only explanation I can think of why we bring children into this exceedingly f&*ked-up world!

(Well, that and the fact that making babies is fun.)

Originally Posted by fallout55

OMG I now expect a visit from these guys...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jdg0JFtGf_c