Thread: USA cartoon

I hope I didn't leave the impression that either my mom or I are excited about all of this. My simple point was that you do what you got to do and then you live with the results whatever they be!

The difference is night and day.

The A-bomb attacks were by a nation at declared war opon the nation who had received the declaration of war and was itself at war against the dropper. In short it was one of many acts in an ongoing conflict. A conflict where there could be a diplomatic end where both sides had clear goals and a difference of opinion.


9/11 was a random act by a underground group who can neither hope to destry or occupy the people they are attacking. There is no military or diplomatic significanc to the act, nor any declared war being fought. Their goal was to kill people not for the purpose of ending conflict or winning ground but simply as an end in itself. Their only goal was to frighten the population, not even to gain surrender.

Originally Posted by JMS

I hope I didn't leave the impression that either my mom or I are excited about all of this. My simple point was that you do what you got to do and then you live with the results whatever they be!

Nope --- nice to have a few perspectives.

Justin

It's a political cartoon... IMHO, it is what it is... thought provoking. But to conclude that it is 'correct' in it's implication simply goes too far for me. But I understand that other's will see it differently.

Originally Posted by norman931

If an A-bomb were dropped on an American city today, it would be defined a terrorist act, no matter who did it, and for whatever reason.

By today's definition of "terrorist act" (ref: thefreedictionary.com)...

the calculated use of violence, or the threat of violence, against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear

I'd agree it was such an act. But, if the USA was in a war of nearly global proportions (as was the case in WWII) then I would mostly disagree that it would be the act of a "terrorist" (ie, a "terrorist act") since the bomber would not be acting as such by the definitions of a "terrorist"...

a radical who employs terror as a political weapon; usually organizes with other terrorists in small cells; often uses religion as a cover for terrorist activities

But I guess "radical" is in the eye of the beholder, so YMMV.

Originally Posted by JMS

I would like to offer my mothers perspective. She explained to me that Japan would not stop at anything and so we really didn't have much of a choice! She was just a little surprised that the bomb stopped them! She also notes that she has no doubt that our intentions were to stop Japan and other countries from their aggression and to save lives in the long run. She says that if our only intention was to utterly destroy Japan instead of just stopping them we would've bombed Kyoto instead and we would not have fed the Japanese people and help rebuild Japan after the war!


My mother was 14 at the end of WWII living in Japan. She came to America in 1959! ...

Mark, thanks for sharing that!

Originally Posted by JMS

I would like to offer my mothers perspective. She explained to me that Japan would not stop at anything and so we really didn't have much of a choice! She was just a little surprised that the bomb stopped them! She also notes that she has no doubt that our intentions were to stop Japan and other countries from their aggression and to save lives in the long run. She says that if our only intention was to utterly destroy Japan instead of just stopping them we would've bombed Kyoto instead and we would not have fed the Japanese people and help rebuild Japan after the war!


My mother was 14 at the end of WWII living in Japan. She came to America in 1959!


The terrorists that we now face wish to crush us completely and turn us into them!

Our goal was to stop aggression and then let the countries fulfill their own ends, as long as those ends did not include aggression towards us!

I am not certain if the younger generation feel as my mother does, but, after all, my mother is an eyewitness to this history while the younger generation can only offer speculation!

Hey Mark, has your mother ever talked about the notion of the Emperor being God -- not like God , or kind of a god, or God's buddy, but actually God? How do you stop a people who believe their leader is everything and beyond this world? Are was this just an exaggeration.?

Justin

Originally Posted by Wildtim

The difference is night and day....9/11 was a random act by a underground group who can neither hope to destry or occupy the people they are attacking. There is no military or diplomatic significanc to the act, nor any declared war being fought. Their goal was to kill people not for the purpose of ending conflict or winning ground but simply as an end in itself. Their only goal was to frighten the population, not even to gain surrender.

Actually, timmy anyone that see TV news or do even basic research knows Bin Laden wants to "restore freedom to our nation," to "punish the aggressor in kind," and to inflict economic damage on America. He declared that a continuing objective of his holy war was to "bleed America to the point of bankruptcy." Bin Laden said, "We swore that America would not live in security until we live it truly in Palestine. This showed the reality of America, which puts Israel's interest above its own people's interest. America will not get out of this crisis until it gets out of the Arabian Peninsula, and until it stops its support of Israel." He condemns the U.S. for "plundering" the resources of the region, oppressing the people by supporting abusive regimes in the region, and dictating policy to legitimate leaders.

Originally Posted by JMS

The terrorists that we now face wish to crush us completely and turn us into them!

and they say propaganda doesn't work on us highlly inteligemunt Americans

Rayzor,

The number of your somewhat disrespectful posts is quickly outweighing those of value.

Please ensure you remain respectful and civil here.

Originally Posted by AFDavis11

Rayzor,

The number of your somewhat disrespectful posts is quickly outweighing those of value.

Please ensure you remain respectful and civil here.

Thank you! I thought that was going to be my next post!

ok ok im sorry

ill rephrase that

with all due respect, they say propaganda doesn't work on us highlly inteligemunt Americans