Thread: USA cartoon

Originally Posted by JMS

You go from jerk to nice guy and back again fairly easily don't you? Or am I misreading you?

i do not mean to be jerk just dont like ignorance as it can cost so much suffering

This is your second moderator warning. The tone of this thread is quickly devolving into name-calling and personal attacks. If this continues the thread will be closed.

Originally Posted by JMS

It appears that your only intent with this thread was to rile people up as opposed to having any civil discourse!

Try your game else where Sir!

I'll +1 that. Almost all of his posts are here in this thread, uncivil, and not even thought out.

We have discussions here at SRP. Not one sided, flame bait arguments. All I get from your posts are "yeah, well you're wrong and I'm right." State your opinion on the matter- there's nothing wrong with that. However, stating it such that it doesn't add any substance to the thread and incites strong words is wrong.

I don't claim to know everything about the Eastern Theater, but from my research, it was well done and for good reason. It left no doubt in anyone's mind as to what we could do. We could have dropped them on bigger cities, but didn't.

As far as the pilots and crew are concerned, maybe they didn't know the true extent of the damage (maybe). The fact that they would defend their actions in recent years when they could know and see exactly what happened speaks volumes to me. These guys weren't stupid though. They felt the blast in their planes, I'm sure they could get an idea of what was going on down on the ground.

The cartoon...well, it's a cartoon. We're not Muslims in France for god's sake. I don't agree with it, but that's the beautiful thing about this country. That sort of speech is protected, even if we don't agree with it.

I'm glad we can be mature enough to not degrade a discussion into a spitting match.
Mark added a very interesting perspective about the japanese people at that time. I'm sure most of you will be very proud if your country has such willpower.

Deploying nuclear bombs was a political decision and the politicians who made it bear the responsibility for it. Perhaps by the standards of those days it was perfectly justified. Although note that virtually all scientists who created these weapons and knew exactly what would happen, later were most instrumental in shaping the US policies trying to minimize the chances that they be used again.

And of course a political cartoon is just that, I'd be very worried about anybody who thinks a cartoon can ever be a true representation the reality.

gugi,


upstate ny ? ...do you pick your feet in poughkeepsie?









-this is not insult, but from famous movie-

no, not at all - the fingerlakes would be it. although it's the second time in two months that i hear poughkeepsie referred to as 'upstate' - in my book it's a stroll just outside of the city


i'm pretty hard to be insulted too, perhaps because a lot of american references are just lost on me

you are familiar with movie?

you know to new yorker (city) any thing in ny state north of manhattan is upstate!

i guess SUNY or cornell no?

Topic re-opened.

Blah. Just read the rest of the thread.

I'm just gonna edit out what I wrote.

[quote=Blade Wielder;164941]Actually, "objective" is a better word to use than "slanted."

**Objectivity remains to be seen. I am curious where this was originally published.
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The kid in the cartoon (an innocent, whose mind is not clouded by any personal bias) presumably knows nothing about that particular bombing, which ultimately claimed over a hundred thousand lives. With the recent willingness to throw the word "terror" around quite a bit, the child is simply learning about another premeditated attack (which, frankly, was intended to destroy civilian life on a massive scale), and calling it what he assumes others around him would.

**The cartoon makes a statement to the effect that America is a terrorist organization. It ignores the fact that the bombing of Pearl Harbor by the Japanese Government of the day, resulted in us being at war with them. I am not a historian, but I don't believe it's accurate to portray the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki as two single attacks by us. To frame everything properly, you would have to acknowledge the events leading up to it, starting with Pearl Harbor. These events are related. I do not know what information America's leaders had available to them at at time. Nor do I presume to know what information the Japanese leadership of the day had available to them either. Perhaps the Japanese felt that Pearl Harbor was a preemptive attack. It's possible they acted on intelligence of some sort.
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Regards,
Mitch